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Submitted: Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 12:16
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Hi All,

I'm looking at putting new rubber on the 100 series, and am considering Cooper AT's, ATR's, Toyo OPATS, and Bridgestone D694's. The forum is chokkas with for and againsts for just about every type, so I guess it comes down to price/value/service.
My local dealer is recommending 265/75/16's to replace the 275/70's on it from new.
Any last minute recommendations would be appreciated, also prices paid recently would be handy.
Thanks folks, this forum makes us all more knowledgable, safer, and happier with our fourbies!
Vic
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Reply By: fozzy - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 12:53

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 12:53
Vic
depending on what your needs are have you considered putting slightly larger diameter tyre for eg 285/75/16 which will give a little bit more clearance but will make your speedo read slightly out.
few more things like suposedly bit less power but easier through ditches and over obstacles etc
just a thought if you were unaware of above and ventured off the black top a bit
may cost a bit more than sizes you mention above
cheers

fozzy
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:00

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:00
Just to be really helpful: the BFG ATs are the best tyre I have run so far.
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Follow Up By: Vic - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:04

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:04
thanks guys,

Is there any measurable economy impact with the bigger tyre sizes?

Thanks for the BFG suggestion, I haven't ruled them out, just trying to narrow the field (somehow) to make it easier on the day! Arghhhh..

Vic
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Reply By: Peter Guy - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:10

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:10
Go for the Cooper ATs as they are good and I have had 2 sets over the years and travelled in excess of 90,000 ks on each. The tread is so thick they can handle the rough stuff!
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Reply By: Snowball - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:33

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:33
Vic,
I would second the suggestion for 285/75. The larger tyre is a reasonable compromise between ground clearance and loss of power and engine braking. I am assuming that you have a turbo diesel or petrol engine.

For offroad work you need a light truck (LT) category tyre rather than your current highway tyres. LT tyres are much tougher, have stiffer sidewalls and require higher pressures. This means they have increased rolling resistance and economy will suffer a little bit - another one of those compromises.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Saturday, Jul 09, 2005 at 18:46

Saturday, Jul 09, 2005 at 18:46
Good assumption that - petrol or diesel engine.....

The higher you pump up the tyre pressure, the LOWER the rolling resistance, and the better the fuel economy.

Just a minor error there
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Reply By: AT4WD ADVENTURES - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:44

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 13:44
Vic,

I have run BFG's AT's on my 100series for 5 years and have not had a problem with any of them.....infact 76,000km on first set.

I am running 285/75/r16 for all the reasons mentioned elswhere and the additonal footprint and diff hieght comes in real handy.

Stuart
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 14:31

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 14:31
Hi Vic
I would not fit a smaller tyre than the recomended, this is what the makers say is the smallest tyre for the vehicle.
Ray
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 14:40

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 14:40
I have opats on my 80 and without doubt they are the worst tyre I have had. In about 5k the tread blocks have chipped and torn off, I have had numerous punctures includind sidewalls and a side wall was torn right out utter utter CRAP. I have pulled them off and chucked some old dunger tyres on i will put them back on for doing what they are capable of - blacktop running
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Follow Up By: Vic - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 14:54

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 14:54
Strike one!

Thanks for the honest opinion Davoe
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 at 16:42

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 at 16:42
if you search through the 23492034028402938402938402398402398402398423098 tire threads on the site, you will read that about every tire!! Coopers Toyo BFG etc etc etc

Glad Im closed minded and would only go with 2 brands of MT's for me... :)~
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 14:47

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 14:47
First thing to discuss..

1) what do you do with the car? 80road/20offroad? or %mud? %sand
2) do you carry loads?
3) do you tow with it? so is your cartires the same as trailer?
4) is more offroad clearance important?
5) what is most important to you out of the tire - lasting, grip, looks (some do go on this), etc..

More info would help decide.
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Follow Up By: Vic - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 15:18

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 15:18
Thanks for the questions Truckster,

1) 80road/20off. Off road is muddy driveway,gravel tracks, sloppy paddocks, grassy hillsides, towing trailers, pulling stumps etc.
2) 5 people, weekend worth of gear is typical for weekends. Just me during the week
3) I tow a 7x5 caged trailer with hay, or the occaisional horse float. Wheel compatability would be nice, but not essential.
4) More offroad clearance is not really that important.
5) Grip on and off road is important, durability next, looks are about as important as the colour of the piston rings!

Thanks again for the good advice.

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Reply By: Russ - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 16:06

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 16:06
I have put Bridgestone D694's on my lc100, happy to date, but only done around 3,000km on them.

Not sure but the 285 might put you over the legal limits.

Ask the dealer about the size to ensure that you are within the legal requirements.

Russ
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Follow Up By: Vic - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 17:42

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 17:42
Thanks Russ,

What size 694's are you running?
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Follow Up By: Russ - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 at 15:03

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 at 15:03
Vic,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

Mine are LT265/75R16. From what the fitter stated, they just came in with legal height and would not affect the speedo.

Regards

Russ
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Reply By: adsum - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 17:40

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 17:40
Hi Vic,

Have you considered the Silverstone AT117 Specials, I am using them on my 80 and they would have to one of the best value for money AT's I have used, (around $185ea for a 275/70/16). I bought a set after they got a great write up in 4WD Monthly. I have done around 45K on and off road, good grip dry/wet road, great on fire trails, ( basically a copy of the previous TA).

Coopers are good but too expensive, and you have to use their dealer and tyre care schedule to meet warranty conditions. Toyos are no good if you want to really go off road. The Bridgies are OK.

Do not go undersize, for legal reasons. Yoy may find that the 275's may result in a slight increase in road speed as opposed to indicated speed, as the AT tread will be slighly larger rolling diameter.

I hope this helps.
Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 20:24

Friday, Jul 08, 2005 at 20:24
Hi Tony,

265/75 are not undersize. They have about 15mm greater diameter than 275/70. Many people use them because they have the heavier LT construction, and come with a higher load index.

Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: Vic - Monday, Jul 11, 2005 at 12:12

Monday, Jul 11, 2005 at 12:12
Thanks guys for all your input,

the size thing still has me a bit worried, most suggesting 285/75 16, while my dealer suggests 265/70 16.

Obviously the 285's are bigger all round than the 275/70's, and the 265/75's, while the 265/75's are a little taller than the 275/70's. Phew!

It depends on whether the 285's are legal I guess. I'm pretty sure the 265's would be OK, since they're only a bit taller - but about 10mm narrower.

Any thoughts Truckster?

Regards,

VIC
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Follow Up By: Member - Smocky (NSW) - Monday, Jul 11, 2005 at 16:31

Monday, Jul 11, 2005 at 16:31
Hi Vic,

I believe wider tyres are better for sitting on top of stuff, like sand, and narrower tyres are better for grip into stuff, like dirt. Wider tyres can tend to plane across stuff particularly at speed like on dirt tracks and mud. So 260/75's might be better. It seems that a lot of special mud tyres look a bit like motor bike nobbies, in that they have a lot of space between rubber. Great for mud grip, not so great on the road or even on dirt for that matter.

Taller tyres have a longer footprint (more front to rear tread in contact), so this would be a consideration.

If you aren't doing anything too strenuous to the tyres, can I suggest something reputable and easy to get and supported locally? I've heard good and bad things about BFG, Coopers and Bridgestone, but mostly good about all 3. (Only always negative thing I've heard about tyres is Wranglers)

Truckster, as usual, will give you excellent advice in about 8 syllables.

Cheers,

Smocky.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 at 15:39

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 at 15:39
Its your call as to what tire u want. There are so many different prices as well as sizes... Think if you are travelling remote - what is easiest to access while out there (read oodnadatta threads) for example..

Contact your local roads authority and ask them what size is legal. Dont take anyones word for it.. google for the RTA in your state.

Me - I love my MTRs..... but for your requirements, they wouldnt be good.

Toyo Opats have a good rep for a touring tire, and are really almost a HT.. worth checking out. Also the Procomp AT.
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Follow Up By: Member - Smocky (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 at 15:54

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 at 15:54
Here's the NSW guidelines from the RTA.

Smocky.
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