CHEATING CAR YARD UPDATE (missing log books)

I would like to dissagree with you if you were told it had log books and you didint get them thats an issue.
A mate of mine bought a 4wd from a yard similar story the books are commimg .
He was told the 4wd live in orange and he would get hold of the books from the farmer bla bla bla.
The 4wd was an ex mine 4wd from WA he found some paper behind the dash. From that he made some calls and got a full refund of the purchase price and a little extra.

So when buying a second had any type of 4wd car etc if its got filled out log books you can trace the 4wd.

I am also pretty sure the car yard puts more on the price if its got log books. They use it as a selling point dont they.

All the best
Eric

Sorry Eric , I am have read my reply 3 times and I am looking for the point you disagree with

and no Log book is a major issue on resale
I think the log book is a major part.

All the best
Eric

Eric , I think you need to read my post carefully , I said it WAS a issue

Sorry Eric it must be a Eric thing I read it as no it wasnt and issue.
Sorry.

All the best
Eric

1st Eric,

Thats a good idea at least ill have something in writting. Do you know if the km could have been tampered with in a gigital speedo.

Eri from cape york (gods country)

You should be out in your back yard fishing and not on your computer
the 1st and only time i made it to cape york, we got stuck in the first river crossing blew my brand new air jack up, jumpped over a large croc while chassing a pig,wheels fell of the old trailer and got stuck at port stewart by rain for 5 day THAT WAS AS FAR AS WE GOT. It was the best time ive had though. Its 13 in s.a today

thanks men!

Rudu,

You can get the speedo altered. The person that does it is suposed to get a stat. dec. or something to alter it and have a legit reason like replacing the speedo because it is faulty. People can also buy a second hand speedo with lower km's and put that in instead.

Leroy

Changing a Digital speedo is easier than ordering a meat pie. Takes the whole of 30 seconds . You don't even need to take the dash out .

Ok , this should help.

By law the car yard must display the previous owner on the L form, the L form is the piece of paper usually on the drivers window with the ASK price. With the name of thge previous company , call them up and get yourself some answers. If the dealer tells you that he isn't alowed to give you the previous owners name , tell him that you know that that is a crock. If you had the book , it would have told you in them , who the previous owner is .

Good luck ... if you need more help or hit a brick wall . Call me on 0418364781 and ill try track it all down for you.

I know some people who know some people . Who work in Nissan head office lol

Leroy,
Thats an unusual name.Thats the name of the dealerships owner.YOU MIGHT BE THE OWNER ,IT MIGHT BE YOUR SON, ITS YOU LEROY.

thanks for the bad news, And Ill see you in court.

ha ha ha

?????? You'll never catch me...... ah hahahah.....AH HAHAHAHAHA

Leroy

yeah the guy above you is the industry i beleive

Nudenut

I dont understand your comment. Certainly Eric is in the industry and has a lot of knowledge on the subject. But the post was to everyone and not just to "those in the industry".

All i offerred was my view based on information received from another source in another context on a similar issue.

If i have misinterpret your comment i apologise.

Alan

I thought you were asking for someone in the industry to advise if your statement was right or wrong...i was pointing out that Eric was in the automotive industry so i have been led to believe.....i also believe he is trying to tell us that log supplied with the vehicle when first sold can affect the resale price significantly if not available?

have I missed understood what you were trying to say?

They can only find 1 service from nissan and the car has only done 80000km.They guaranteed in writting they had the books and we would receive them. Now they say they were lied to by someone.But the point is when we trade it in Im sure a car yard would say there worth more then $500.00 and if we said we had them and then didnt produce them they would be trying to claim as much as they could

send supernaanny to fix these lieing children up

rudu

If you have it in writting ... then go for it.

Now 'you' have them in a tighter position because they have now said that (they) were lied to and now they can't supply the books.

You seem (I say this hesitantly) to have the upper hand.

$500 isn't much. The car yard knows you'll reject the first offer to settle. They negotiate for a living.

Have your solicitor draft an offer to settle now at $3,000. If that amount suits you. Then after the settlement do a trace through a friendly Nissan service centre. Crikey you might get the $3,000 AND the books.

You might get $1,500 AND the books. Who knows?

And above all, DON'T let all this take away from the fact that you have a new $40,000 vehicle. Enjoy it.

I say sometimes to myself when I get ripped of "Will this money REALLY make a difference on my death bed?"

I look like getting ripped off $300 from an A.T.M. withdrawl. I have not worked for 18 monthS and the cash would be handy but if I don't get it back well that's life. Heck I'll send them another $300 and it really wont make a difference in my life. Will it?

fnck em.

Enjoy your new car. Go for a drive. Take the missus out for an expensive meal. Pat the dog. Eat a whole large packet of chicken chips yourself. Go for a swim. Read a book.

But don't get caught awake after your bedtime or the SuperNammy assures me she'll come around. And believes me you really don't want that. lololol.

I DO what the SuperNanny says.

She is the boss.

iMusty has it in one!

If it's principle only, settle for what you can get.

Never, never go to court on principle.

Courts are not about principle or justice (unfortunately). They are about winners and losers. And they get it right about 50% of the time when the facts are not blindingly obvious.

Yes, principles are indeed expensive.

Learn to lose sometimes if it's just about the principle.

Get the books from Nissan.

Im with principle.

Im easy going and can understand a mistake but this was a straight out lie. If it was the other way around they wound hound me like a dog. This car maybe ok but the next easy going shmuck may get a bomb. This may make them think twice next time. Well I think this car is ok? to soon to tell.

50% sounds ok if no one does anything they just keep getting away with it.

Well, go for it, Rudu. Sounds like you are fired up.

You have every reason to be angry and indignant. But you'll need a good lawyer and they cost money.

So you are now talking about spending real money.

But in the end (indignation and anger aside); if you are happy with the vehicle and the price you paid; no harm no foul.
Good luck

Im with Eric on that one. no books means bad history 9 times out of 10. ie no service/more kay`s in book than speedo(dash from wreckers)/owned by mining company ect.

I agree also. I know of people that conveniently loose the service book to their vehicles prior to selling. I wonder why? Clock wound back? Not serviced on time or not at all??

Seeing that you had written down that the car comes with books it should. I would simply ask for my money back as you have paid for something you haven't recieved. If the yard doesn't want to take the vehicle back then go to small claims.

Leroy

I dont think its that drastic as Minning car, My money is that its a ex renta from up north.

G'day Rudu,
Eric's got it in one, they're hiding something, if it was me I'd get my money back give them the vehicle back and go get another one with books. Remember, the vehicle may be fine now and you may be happy with it, but what about in 6 months time when things start breaking due to high k's. ie. timing belts going in the middle of nowhere with only 50,000k's on the clock when it's really 110000k's.
Good luck.

Avagoodn
Pezza

bonjodog,

Ive rang the following people and all said the same thing and most just dont care

RAA , M.T.A , LEGAL ADVICE, NISSAN,CONSUMER AFAIRS

They all say i need a price on the books to go to court youve got to remember im in s.a where a bit slow and backward here i think im about right with the price $3000
Ive got to say we have had trouble with the alternator already though.

I just have to wait and see I just got sick of the school boy lieing from the car yard.

thanks mate.

Rudu, have you spoken directly with the dealer principle / yard owner?

Sometimes they are not aware of what their "standard" sales staff are doing. If you haven't yet seen them and you get the "oh, he's too busy to see you" line when you ask, make an appointment to see him/them - or just sit quietly outside their office. My father-in-law did the quite sitting one and it worked - but on another matter and it got him a new engine.

Explain the suitation to him/them and what you want done to clear this up as you'd "hate to drag their sales staff through court over this" and are they aware that this practice is going on in their dearlership etc etc.

You could even explain to them (with utmost confidence in your voice - nudge nudge) that you have already been in conact with consumer affairs and your ready to move on their advise but I thought I'd come to talk it over with you first. Might just work.

I've seen too many buyers of cars get sharfted after they bought the car - so go for it.

banjodog,
The big problem is the dealers owners son is the one that lied and every time I tried to talk to the NISSAN dealer owner, I was put through to the son. In his court defence to the court it is very clear he is trying to cover his poor hadling of it all, so he has to make me out to be in the wrong and some sort of money hungry p----. I have been able to send an email to his father telling him his son is a lier and has to lie to the end now to cover himself. But we all know hes always going to beleive his son right. At least this might teach other people to cover them self even if you are dealing with a large car yard.

Ill keep you in formed.

Hey Babs,
You mention that it is easy for people to give advice 'like go to court'....correct me if i'm wrong but isn't that the whole idea of the forum, just for things like this `Advice'. And isn't Rudu after advice! Your right about one thing, Rudu shouldn't be looking at trying to make money out of this venture...but he shouldn't be looking at getting ripped off either.

There is no doubt he is happpy with the vehicle..he bought it!! but he didn't get what he paid for NO BOOKS!!!. verbally or written doesn't matter one little bit. Now, as far as being an ex government vehicle, don't you think Rudu's Nissan friend would have freely offered this advise!! Yes I think so, it is obvious it isn't..that's because he is either being ripped off or the books have been missed placed or some other reason.

ps here's a tip for ya Babs...you can make application through the court about who you want to appear as your witnesses(subpoena) ...guess who that could include?? i'll put you out of your misery - previous owner....

Babs thanks for your interests, I get the fealling you have experience in the car trade somehow.I dont want to waste yor time just yet as I think Ive got everything coverd but I think I better tell the full story for everyone.I had my choice down to 3 cars. 2 were 2003 models about 40,000km still under new car warranty, got the prices down to around $38000 after long dealings and a lot of bla bla bla with salesman both had good books. The third was an ex-rental same km but had dodgy books that could void new car warranty. Stoped at a major nissan dealer in s.a to check out about the dodgy books and warranty.

Well thats when they showed me this car that they just bought in from n.s.w. It hadnt been detailed yet so I got to see it as is, I found the auction note in glove box stating no service books. Told salesman the car was to old 2000 and to many km 85000km but asked the price they didnt know, so I told them what I wanted on car with a 50000km nissan warranty 2 year. eventally they came up with a price $40,000.

I said to much for the car thats hasnt got a servicelog books, this car has done off road work and could be hammerd.( I worked out the car had $13000 worth of extras.)
Anyway salesman got manager (dealer owners son) . He guaranteed the the log books were on there way and would be in the next few days. took the car home for 2 days seemed ok I also was promised it would go through nissan workshop inspection. had all put in writing.

Two weeks later yard rang to pick car up I faxed a copy of contract to make sure everything was there -everythings ready come down- get there no books or copy of mech report. I didnt pay until I had it in writting again will rewcieve log books for the car.

After 3months of ringing and having the salesman and manager all say they dont know about the books but have been told they will be here at the end of week I take out a court order 2 weeks later I get a new set of books with 1 1000km service shown. there court defence said i agreed to new books with a couple of services in them. theres still a lot more lieing but this is taking to long . they just never had the books the funny thing is the manager said he wouldnt touch a car with dodgy books.

look thanks heaps but I think it might be better if I dont know which lake its been in?
ill just try to teach the car yard a lesson after im finished with this ill say the name of the yard.

thanks heaps again and will keep you informed

Hey Dazzle your right the site is all about giving advice, I stand corrected, I just figured no point reving Rudu up about going to court if its not going to benefit him. And so thats my advice so I respect all other advice given to Rudu, and myself on my own posts, dont take it the wrong way!

I do though beg to differ about the witness, when we purchase a vehicle we are protected by a privacy act it should be in your contract between you and motor dealer. Besides its not against the law to sell a vehicle without books, so the previous owner would have rights, on what grounds would they call him as a witness as far as he would be concerned its not his business, mind you im speakind as if previous owner is private what if a bus, or gov dept harder.
Anyways thats neither here nor there after reading the full story Rudu has left.

Hey Rudu I really hope this all works out for you I can imagine the frustration you must be going through, not what you want when you purchase a vehicle, its ment to be all good.. Just a thought " how good would the world be if there was just more honesty."
One good thing I enjoy about this site is besides differences in opinions its all honesty, unbiased advice not many places we can get that...Im gratefull...

Regards to everyone,

Babs

Swine Hunter, I dont think he has to go to that extreme over a set of books. maybe he got a really good deal on the vehicle and to replace it would probably cost more than what he originally spent, I think a bit of persistance and this should be resolved. the dealer might be having problems with the person who originally traded it, or the dealer purchased it from the auctions and was told it has books and they are yet to deliver it to him, who knows the full details? Like I said a bit of persistance and he should get what he's after. I can tell you for a fact that if it goes to court the dealer taking the vehicle back just wont happen

Babs

Swine hunter.

The car cant go back now, its been too long because the dealer kept lieing saying the books will be here at the end of each week 4 MONTHS hoping I would go away. A car yard will only say there worth money if its to benifit them .Then there worth $10,000.
These car yards act like there doing you a favour buy selling you the car
and have all these fake awards up for great service, and were a family company so we realy care.
when it comes to more then 10min work they act like its the end of the earth.
I supose it does only take a 2 day course the become a PROFESSIONAL
CAR SALESMAN.

The thing that gets me this is a major NISSAN DEALER in S.A thats turned to strait out lieing to cover them self instead of dealing with it in a professinal way.

swine hunter leave those poor little pigies alone your dogs might get hirt

thanks mate.

babs
,Funny thing the other car i was looking at came from a chrysler jeep dealer, It had books with services not stamped and was an ex rental.

so when the salesman gave me the hard sell I said Ill sighn up on the condition the warranty wouldnt be void. He said it would be fine and wouldnt be because of it. I rang nissan they said it could because ex rental and dodgy books so when I pulled out they said theyd take me to court but of course they couldnt.

Ill never buy from a chrysler dealer either so I think were running out of places to by cars.

PHIL,

I did call the raa and they said the only thing to do is court but I need to have a price, thats the hard thing and I think the car dealers know it.

Phil your not a survayor by chance I think Ive seen your truck and met you on site once.

Rudu,
No, not a surveyor. I have a few mates in Adelaide with similar canopies on the back, but they aren't surveyers either.

Cheers
phil