It MUST be true... I read it on the internet...

Submitted: Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 17:37
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... and right HERE, on this very forum!!!

"Well, yeah Wolfie, we all read lotsa stuff here..."

Correct, but there was one little teeny weeny little thing I read on here about a year ago, and I adopted it's practice.

"Oh, do tell Wolfie... do tell..."

I remember reading a thread, which related to the difficulty in starting diesels on cold mornings.
One chap wrote in.....

.... turn the key, wait till you hear the first click, which means the glow plugs are now on their lower power setting, turn off, and turn on straight away again... maybe even repeat another time.

The idea is to get 'em real hot!

Been doin' that.... They're knackered!!!!! New plugs...... lasted 11 months. When I told my auto electrician what I'd been doing, he just walked away from me.... shaking his head...

So, I was standing there, in his workshop, all alone, when I seen my EO sticker on the rear window.... thinking of all those Hogan's Hero's episodes we saw on the telly, where colonel Klink raises his fist, and says....."....Hogan......."

So.... DON'T do this.... very, very bad...

If it doesn't start on the first go, give 'em a couple of minutes to cool back down, then retry.

Cheers...

Wolfie

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Reply By: Exploder - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 18:10

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 18:10
Yeah mate: They would not be designed for that type of heat, Another one I have herd is a bloke brought his first ever diesel GU-4.2 Turbo. Being a man, Ha users manual who need’s (Don’t we all), so fore about 3 years he had been starting this thing without letting the glow plug’s warm up.
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Follow Up By: See You - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 18:44

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 18:44
Hellooo, If the vehicle started without glow plugs then it probably wasn't warm enough to need them.

See You NT
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Follow Up By: See You - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 18:47

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 18:47
Should have read

"Hellooo, If the vehicle started without glow plugs then it probably wasn't COLD enough to need them."

See You NT
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 18:53

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 18:53
Love the post Wolfie. You should be a writer. Perhaps you are and this is your outlet?

Anyway, I just turn the key on my TD. It starts every time (so far). Am I doing something wrong?? Thirty something years ago when I was driving Army trucks, we had to worry about glow plugs and building air pressure for the brakes, before starting, but today????

Norm C
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Follow Up By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 19:07

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 19:07
See You...

See You Next Tuesday will do also....

hehehe.. Good one...
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 19:18

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 19:18
Yeah the surf's glow light barley comes on, it just flash's on and of instantly. I just turn the key and start it like a petrol, but the GU3.0TD at work if you do that on a coolish day it's not real happy, and the glow plugs need a couple of seconds before the light goes out.

Nissan V Toyota must use differnt types of plugs or somtin?
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Follow Up By: bundyman - Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:48

Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:48
The difference is the type of diesel engine. Most direct injection diesels will start without the need for glowing (unless really cold) ie rodeo. The indirect injection motors, because of there design, will almost always need to be glowed for altleast a few seconds when cold.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:56

Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:56
The 3.0L TD Patrol would be Direct Injection though wouldn't it??
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Follow Up By: bundyman - Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 13:14

Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 13:14
Sorry Jeff don't know much about the Nissans. It also has alot to do with compression ratio of the engine as well. The higher the compression the easier the engine is to start without glowing. So if the 3.0l Nissan motor is direct injection the compression ratio might be lower than what is required for it to start easily without glowing.

I've personally found with any diesel I've driven that they will all start easier and smoother if you wait an additional 5 odd seconds after the glow plug light goes off before attempting to start (my old 2.8L rodeo being an exception) especially during the colder months.

Cheers,
Hughesy
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 13:22

Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 13:22
Ahh, that makes sense the common rail diesels have a lower compression ratio (I think about 17:1). That'd be why...
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Reply By: Exploder - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 19:39

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 19:39
See you> Diesel’s will start without fully heating the glow plug’s, Doesn’t mean you should do it thou.

The Toyota glow plug’s seem to work a lot faster than the Nissan one’s. Norm I would say no the Hi-LUX most likely automatically engages the glow plug’s just before the engine turn’s over.

Whenever I start a diesel I make sure the glow plugs are heated before the engine starts I don’t care if the motor is hot or if it is 40c outside, they are there for a resin.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 20:15

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 20:15
Yes Exploder, the 'Lux glow plug light comes on just long enough to see it. It is off before I can finish turning the key. Don't even look for it any more. If I lived further south with some colder weather it might be different!!!
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 20:24

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 20:24
Same thing in my current model Prado with the 1KZ 3.0TD.

When I first got it I was careful to pause the ignition and watch the GlowPlug light go out before starting. But it happens so quick!

Nowadays it just seems to start like a petrol. Virtually no delay. Only on the coldest mornings (about 5 deg here in Adelade) does it take more than a couple of winds of the starter motor and it is away. Usually it is just twist and go.

Car is 15 months old. Happy to stand corrected or modify my starting process if someone in the know tells me I am doing it wrong!

Cheers
Muddy
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Follow Up By: Ted (Cairns) - Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 23:24

Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 at 23:24
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember direct injection diesels only need preheating if very cold (below 5degC???) and so only "flash" the glowplug light as they switch on and immediately off. And indirect injection diesels need pre-heating for a few seconds every time even if 25degC?
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 13:00

Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 13:00
I agree with you blokes, The only time I've waited was in really cold mornings (0 degree etc) while camping after I've killed the batteries, but even then it's only about 1 sec before it goes off and it starts after 2 or 3 lathargic turns of the motor. ( the cut off for the starter battery in my DB is quite low (about 12v under load). Still get's her going on those cold mornings! ;-)
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Reply By: Nudenut - Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 08:00

Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 08:00
what do the manuals say?
surely the manual will or should tell one the correct prodedure?
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 08:16

Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 08:16
That's the curled up book thingy in the glove box, right?
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 09:53

Friday, Jul 22, 2005 at 09:53
yep, "when all else fails read the instructions"
if that dont work ring 13 11 11
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Follow Up By: Robert Greene - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 16:40

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 16:40
It is always best to know the extent of youre motor so in the desert you are much safer than not being in trouble. For sure.

If you cant get dial tone on the phone you canmot ring for help.

If you dont know about engines or know someone you can ring about them it is best to go inland closer to the mainstream people.

It is.
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