Starter motor woes

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 18:52
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Click click click..........that is what has been happening since Alice Springs. We crossed the desert and came home via the BT. The clicking continued. Got home though.

Managed to get hold of new solenoid at a reasonable price and had it fitted. Everything worked well for a day and then the starter motor stopped working. So now I am up for a new one and you cannot buy one without a solenoid. Best price for non genuine is around $450 landed here in the bush. Aftermaket new genuine is around $550 retail and from Nissan about $700. I kjnow I can have the starter reconditioned but it will only havr a 3 month warranty so have to go with a newby.

Then whilst checking the lights I saw that one sealed beam is U/S. Order it please.

Then my tyre man says please look at inside of this Cooper STT. Fractured base. Will put in gater but tyre is now only for emergency use.

And then there is still the engine seal. flywheel and suspension rubbers to be repaired. Not going get much change out of $2500

Not a good day!
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Reply By: Wombat - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 18:57

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 18:57
Gee! It looks like you're having a bad trot.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:17

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:17
Maybe I should call in Nanna's Bridgade
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jul 30, 2005 at 20:44

Saturday, Jul 30, 2005 at 20:44
>Maybe I should call in Nanna's Bridgade

Maybe you should stop being a lap dog.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Jul 31, 2005 at 07:59

Sunday, Jul 31, 2005 at 07:59
Mike Harding

You remind me of the blowflies we get here in summer. Always buzzing around but not achieving anything of value apart from being an annoyance.

Go away. You are becoming boring!
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Reply By: Exploder - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:03

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:03
Bugger, It all comes in 3’s or in your case 4’s. The only thing you can do is go outside Fists in the air and shout GOD!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:56

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:56
Who?
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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:19

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:19
Sorry to hear how many $$ you still have to go. I drove home very slowly, suspected suspension woes. Took it to my mechanic...nothing wrong. I'm puzzled, as it certainly wasn't Ok. Maybe the driver had bush fever ? :))))))))
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:35

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:35
Strewth Willie, You sure do have a knack for finding bad luck..... I'm sorry to read about your tale of woe.
Hopefully things will start to look up soon enough, mate....
Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:50

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:50
Not really Roachie.

The truck is just about to click over to 300,000km.
I have put 35,00km on it since last August of which 16,000km was this last trip.

All in all it is a very good offroader, taking us to some remote places, and it is extremely comfortable and quite economical. If I spend some money on it now it should be good for another 200,000km or so.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:46

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:46
Hi Willem,

Theres always a good reason when a starter motor "won't work". If theres no click any more, I'd pull it out, hook it up to a battery (with a jumper to the solenoid terminal and see what it does. Just to rule out everything else.

A good old fashioned autoelectrician will take it apart, and fix it - solenoid, or brushes, or even skim the armature. I've been lucky enough to find one in the past.

Had similar hassles starting a LandCruiser in the past and eventually found a fusible link hanging on by a thread.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:59

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:59
Thanks Phil

Hadn't thought of the fusible link. Will check it out in the morning.

I am going to fit the new starter if necessary and then have the old one reconditioned by a local sparky
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 18:55

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 18:55
Hi Phil

I tested everything today and all fusible links and relays are OK.

There was also power to the starter motor. So I have removed the sm and am buying a new one tomorrow . Hopefully that will get us mobile again.
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Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:50

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:50
Willie, Willie, Willie

And you have the unmigitated gaul to heap sh*t of we poor LR drivers .... ;o)
Bad luck champ, they do say it comes in threes.

In your case is it fours or fives.
As has been said before ... hold down the shift key on the 4 in 4WD.

Cheers and commerisations old mate

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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:55

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:55
Who? Me? When?..................lol

Lets not go down the Landrover path, eh?....hahahahahaha
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:50

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:50
Look on the bright side Willem - you saved a bit on the sat. phone?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:56

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 19:56
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:36

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:36
Weren't you lucky enough to buy a secondhand one?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:51

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:51
Not really Mike. These days one can get one for around $500 with the Government subsidy. But then at the time it was a good deal.

But what is the point of your comment equating the satphone to possible repairs?
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Reply By: awill4x4 - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 20:34

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 20:34
Willem, check out http://aea.com.au also known as Auto Electrics Australia. They are the cheapest source for starter motors/alternators I've found. I had to get a new alternator for my 92 efi GQ petrol and they delivered to my door from Qld, 2 days delivery for just over $240 and it was a 90 amp unit compared to my original 70 amp one. There were a couple of mods I had to do to the pulley but it works fine for me.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:28

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:28
Thanks Andrew...will check it out
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Reply By: Member - George (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:28

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:28
Hi Willem,
Should have bought a Toyota L/C. Mine is a 80 series 1991 vintage. Done 458000 km, still same starter motor, original engine seals, motor has not been touched.
It is an HD turbo diesel, I reckon it's the best car I ever bought. Having said this, touch wood. I did replace the alternator and aircon compressor.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:41

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:41
Hi George

Have had 4 Toyotas. One was very good, one average and two other dogs.

Have had 4 Nissans also Two very good ones and two ordinary ones

Then there were the Suzukis, Daihatsu's, Landrovers, a Ford and more

They all break sooner or later. Mine break sooner mainly because I go into places where mere mortals fear to tread.

My GQ is basically a good truck which I am going to keep. So I have to repair it. QED :o)
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Follow Up By: Member - George (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:51

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:51
You have certainly been through a few cars. just goes to show, there are lemons with every make and model. The old saying applies here "When you are on a good thing stick to it" or at least till it falls apart
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:42

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:42
Willem, I can check new price if your keen tomorrow thru my dude.

I reckon that gettin yours reconditioned would be as good as new...

With the headlights, go for H4 inserts instead of sealed beams... you can change the globes to suit yourself! ~$100 for Hella H4 inserts

Warranty on the STT?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:53

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 21:53
Thanks Trucky I will get back to you on that one.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:24

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:24
No warranty on STT
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:33

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:33
Just maybe you've got the wrong vehicle advertised in the trader LOL
cya Sat.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:48

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 22:48
I think I will lace those donuts
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 23:04

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 23:04
I might bring my own donut with icecream topping. Wonder if I can find that prickly pear topping anywhere.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 23:45

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 23:45
"Wonder if I can find that prickly pear topping anywhere"?
No way Al, that stuff is unique.

Willem I don't think you have cause to complain, I reckon you have obtained good value out of your vehicles, a few bucks here or there thats the fun of it all.
Anyway your ship will one day return no doubt, "Problem Solved" LOL.
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Reply By: Member Eric - Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 23:51

Wednesday, Jul 27, 2005 at 23:51
Willem , before you buy a new starter , how about you buy a set of bearings first , there worth around $10, unless the armature is shot , it will be up and running like a trooper . very rare to see the armature shot , unless its been polling for ages
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 18:12

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 18:12
Thanks for your help today, Eric. Have removed the offending starter motor. What a bugger of a job!

Even quotes from Auto elct in Port Augusta sounded like plenty of money. So I will go my easy way and buy a new one and eventually have the old one repaired and then flog it on Ebay :o)
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Friday, Jul 29, 2005 at 17:49

Friday, Jul 29, 2005 at 17:49
How much for a new one ?? ill ask my connections here
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Jul 29, 2005 at 18:11

Friday, Jul 29, 2005 at 18:11
Hi Eric

Bought a new generic starter motor today through Sprint Spares in Port Pirie. $395 brand new 12 months warranty. Starter came up overnight from Adelaide and we drove to Pirie to get it and some shopping lol.

GQ is running again. Later on I will have the old starter recondiotioned and then either sell it or keep it as a spare. Have decided I am not going to sell this truck but see if I can do a million in it...if I live long enough lol

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Reply By: Nudenut - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 07:50

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 07:50
a good auto elec should be able to rebuild the starter to new as new condition....still only three months warranty but it should last if done correctly...

a new starter can fail as easily as a rebuild?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 19:00

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 19:00
Hi Nudie

See my answer below to David. What you fellas in the Big Smoke( or large toiwn hahahaha) take for granted we can only wish for out in the stciks. Them are the breaks. Everything is a compromise.
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:34

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:34
Thanks for all your replies and advice, fellas. Much appreciated
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 09:38

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 09:38
Cmon Willem shurly you have been 4bying long enough to know it aint cheap, After all in one trip you did only do what most of us poor buggers who have to work 10 years to do. As for the starter, simple and cheap - dont turn it off just keep travelling
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 12:49

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 12:49
LOL, Yeah I drove my Rocky around for 2 months parking on hills till I could afford the repairs. ;-)
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 18:16

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 18:16
Yeah I know Davoe. Everything costs Got the Nissan at a reasonable price in the first instance, though. Not complaining. Just all the bills seem to come at once. :o)

Going on another 3 month trek out your way next year doing all the tracks we missed this time
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 09:57

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 09:57
Willem,

If you have a good autoelec then go to him. A properly rebuilt starter will outlast the vehicle probably and what is the point of getting a new one and rebuilding the old one for a spare. How many times have you or will you need to replace the starter? It would just be a waste of money. Remeber you have already spent money on the solenoid so assuming the armature is OK there should not be a lot to do to bring it up to scratch and as Phil said could be some wiring considering all the electrical problems you have had. But I thinlk you need a good auto electrician not someone who does a bit of everything mechanical if you know what I mean.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 18:02

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 18:02
Ahh yes my friend but you forget that I live on the edge of the outback. Mainly bush mechanix around here. Everything has to be ordered, freighted etc. No auto electrician of note in town. So I have to go to Jamestoiwn, Pt Pirie or Port Augusta. By the time I have stuffed around finding an auto electrician it is going to cost just as much as a new starter motor with all the running around.

Did a quick ring aropund for new starter motors today. Prices varied from $800 to $700 to $500 to $495. I eventually found one for $395 in Port Pirie ex Adelaide tonight. Was going to Pirie anyway for other business tomorrow.

Getting the old starter motor off was a new learning experience :o)
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Reply By: banjodog - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 12:37

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 12:37
As suggested - cheaper to have the original starter motor rebuild as you've already fitted a new solenoid to it.

As a bonus you could always wire in a standard Bosch / Hella relay to power the solenoid as some starter motors display the click, click, click of a broken one but it was only a voltage drop in the wiring harness - basically not enough to start.

Just remove the solenoid (ignition switch) power wire to activate the relay - the same way as spot lights etc relays are wired - one 20 amp wire from the battery "+" to the relay, one 20 amp wire from the relay to the solenoid and one 20 amp from the relay back to battery "-" or ground - that way it'll always be good clean 12v to the starter every time.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 19:06

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 19:06
Thanks for your feedback, banjodog.
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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 22:17

Thursday, Jul 28, 2005 at 22:17
Willem,
I had that same click click click sound with no starting today :-(
so pulled the starter off and took the solenoid section apart as that is almost always the first place to give problems, found that the pos (+) contact seat that the solenoid valve contacts was off centre and not making a decent contact because the bolt that held it in place was also the same bolt that the pos (+) lead from the cranking battery connected to the starter, when I had a new transmission fitted recently they must have tightened the battery lead too hard and it turned the solenoid pos (+) side seat off centre.

Two hours later I had everything cleaned up and realigned and it works just purrfect again.

I would check it first before you splash out 700 plus on something that may cost absolutely nothing at all, as it’s really simple to pull apart when you know what to look for? My starter is original and has done 530,000 Klms, the contacts and brush's were good for another 1/2 mill.
If it’s not broke why try an fix it!
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