Pricks in tire joints with rattle guns

Truckman,
Do you have access to any means of heat? A blow torch of some description, try a bit of heat, not glowing just warm. Other than that cut your losses and drill down the axis of the nut and split it rather than damage the thread or snap the nut off. You could try a chisel mark on the flat of the nut to spread the nut if you know what I mean, you might not be able to get the angle to get a good swing though. failing that leav that tyre on and rely on the other three Simex's......

Is there a certain torque that wheel nuts should be done up to?
Surely these tyre stooge rattle guns aren't properlty calibrated.

I know you wanna go 4 wheelin tomorrow....but I'd be going back to the dumdyck that put the pharkin on and get him to get the nuts off again.

I'd love to try my 12v Shentai rattle gun on it for you, but guess 1200klm or so is a bit too far for you to drive...:-)

Good luck mate

Roachie

goodday mate
bit late now just been halfway to your place and my mate has 1 of those rattle guns he reckons there sh??hot but i know what you mean about over tight not much i can do to help tonight but yell tomorrow if you need a hand

steve

You would think that every tyre place would have learnt by now. I had mine balanced the other day where I have never been before and forgot to tell them to hand tighten. Bugger me dead I came back and they were doing them by hand...thank god.

Problem solved by Crazie bringin over a compressor and scaring thebleepout of the nut..

now to try and find the swag and other chit for camping :( then try and get sleep....

I don't know what vehicle you have, but be aware that by the very fact that you can't move them, there is a more than even chance that your wheel studs have been damaged, there is a factory torque setting for wheel nuts for a reason!
Many Rodeo studs have been stretched & ruined by brain dead tyre fitters.
You will not know if your studs are damaged until they break for no apparent reason.
Any decent tyre service will rattle the nuts on, then finish by hand with a cross brace.
I was nearly stuck at Crooked River with over tightened nuts on 2 flat tyres, took forever to loosen them.

In future, when I pick up my vehicle from a tyre service I will ask for a hand brace & check them before I pay!

Just had the Navara serviced at Nissan and made them include on the service "re-tighten all wheel nuts by torque wrench to spec".

Will check if they are get offable before I head off on the CSR!

Andy

Seriously mate I would take the vehicle back and ask them to undo them by hand. When they can't inform them that you will be replacing all the studs and nuts (which I would do for your own safety) and ask them for there billing address. I wish you every success.
Cheers Brad

I would say the clown just kept rattling for too long and was lucky he did not strip the thread.

If your 5Ft breaker bar did not budge them there were on Fing tight.

Whenever I get the tyres rotated I always watch them do it and it then gives me a chance to check the Brake Pads, inspect CV Boot’s Shock’s ECT wail the tyres are off. They do not seem to mind.

I have a big ass rattle gun here if you need it

did you try turning the nut anticlockwise?

Part of the problem is lubrication..Dinkum!..Sure,it's overtightened,but the two mating surfaces have had enough,the two metals have now "mated" and become one..No amount of exerted torque will seperate them..I had this happen after getting new Dunlop Gran Treks (magic rubber) fitted for a Hi-Country adventure..Had to twist off nut/stud,remove brake drum,fit new stud..Fairly ezy job.That we should'nt have to do..Now I always carry 2 spare studs and keep the studs lubed with water resistant ,motorcycle chain lubricant..Tyre expert told me dry surfaces will bind..I always hand wrench after getting rubber fitted..Now! Helps..RockyOne!MPG:4!

Your lucky I had new tyres fitted only to have the front left wheel try to come off 3 weeks later. checked all wheel nuts and they were all lose. try stoping 3.6 ton of landcruiser & camper at 110 km/h with front wheel hanging on by one bolt.

Hi Truckster,

I feel for you mate. I had this happen to me on the Patrol about 6 months ago, and when I didn't need it too - flat tyre (fortunately was at home so could get a breaker bar to help). My tyre bloke is normally great so you can imagine my surprise, and the expletives were flowing thick and fast.

Took it back to the tyre place and Richard (owner) didn't believe me - they always use torque wrench. So I got out the wheel brace and gave it to him to try on the other 3 remaining wheels. Sure enough couldn't budge them. Embarrassed he went and got the dimwit that did the job, gave him the wheel brace and made him loosen the nuts by hand. He couldn't - lesson learnt! The dimwit subsequently got the sack - turns out this was last in a string of similar problems.

Hugh

But hey,
if truckster bought tyres from them, they were the cheapest shop in town Im sure....

Cheapest for a reason it would seem, by not employing people who have the right skills etc.......

Rattle guns should ONLY be used to remove bolts and nuts - NEVER used to tighten ESPECIALLY wheel nuts - studs will streatch if over tightened , thus increasing the chance of them snapping at some extreme pressure ( ie hard cornering and so forth )

Unfortunatly those rattle gun clowns at tyre places are usually high school drop outs that do not have a clue when it comes to torque settings. Im my trade we only ever use bolts that are in high risk area ONLY ONCE - ( fitter machinist )

Frank

mke sure you take your phone number with you tommorow.
when your way up in the middle of nowhere give them a call and say hay you silly pricks im up the top of mout where ever i got a puncture cant loosen theese wheel nuts now.
(a)send one of your blokes out here to fix it.
(b)Can i have a phone number of any company that you choose to come and recover me.
make sure you bring the busted wheel brace so if they do turn up tell them when they turn up you just changed it.

Had a similar problem a few years ago south of Broken Hill when I wanted to remove the wheels in order to remove the mud accumulated on one of the tracks in that area which had caused them to go out of balance - it's possible but difficult. But there seems little point in revealing techniques on this forum. Suggest you ask them not to tighten them too much.

Mike Harding

I had a similar problem when I did not have mobs of time available to watch over the imitation tyre techs. o wheels ended up over tightened by rattle gun and when I tried to get them off a couple of days later for a different set of tyres the same thing, couldn't move them. Took it back to the tyre place and asked for another check for balance. When the young fella reached for the rattle gun I stopped him and told him to use my vehicle supplied wheel brace. Needless to say he was having lots of trouble, The boss came out and yelled at him for not getting the tyres off.
I interuppted and asked the boss to get them off, with the same brace. Same thing, the boss then asked me who the hell put these wheels on, I pointed to the employee who did the job the first time. All hell broke loose and I managed to get replacement studs and nuts out of the company without too much trouoble.

You just have to keep watch, I will never ever leave again when new tyres are being fitted.

Once you're sorted, a smear of grease on the stud threads usually means they don't bind up when overtightened.

Cheers
Phil

Hi Truckster,
I don't know what type of vehicle you have , but the "80" service book says 108ft lbs. Not much help to you, but I know of at least 2 places in Perth that only use hand power to replace the nuts.

Cheers

Jerry

Hi Truckster,I hope you get them off,Ive just got a set of cooper sts put on my Patrol,go out now to see if I can loosen them .Thanks for the warning
regards uppy

i am available for undoing wheel nuts for a small call out fee.....

HI, well i had a smilar problem when having new tyres fitted but it was them who could not undo the whell nuts. what they did was to have a 5ft bar on the wheel brace one guy keeping the presure on while someone else taped the other end of wheelbrace with a hammer and bingo it worked, good luck.

Wheel studs SHOULD HAVE NO LUBE ON nuts are dry torque only. early patrols 80ft lb later 100ft lb Toyota up to 100lc 80 ft lb 100lc on see hand book depends on model and type of wheel. mitsubishi 100ft lb, Holden 80 ft lb Ford 80ft lb landrover is about 95ft lb. all dry torque only. NO grease, oil, neverseze ect.
Always done by manual hand torque in my tyre store.
Cheers
Charlie