New Hilux V6 or Turbo Diesel?

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
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These things cost a fair bit of money so before I hand over my cash which is the better Toy? This is what I have found so far
Turbo diesel hilux is quite thirsty with various sources quoting consumption at 12l/100km. V6 hilux is quoted at 14l/100km and fuel is roughly 10c a litre cheaper so over 100km the difference in fuel is V6 $1 more expensive per 100km ($1000 over 100,000km).
Diesel Turbo has to be serviced every 5,000km compared to V6 at 10,000 km and Diesel Turbo is $4500 more expensive to buy.

So why would you pay the extra for the Diesel Turbo? Granted it was the best before the V6 and I am a fan of Diesel Turbo motors but the maths doesn't seem to be adding up anymore.

So if it isn't cheaper to run then what other advantages are there in buying the Turbo Diesel.

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Reply By: OziExplorer - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
Have you looked at the new model Mazda? Beats hell out the diesel Hilux in all ways including price, quality and fuel consumption.

It is bull manure a diesel needs to be serviced every 5,000k's. Must be a damn awful engine if that is required. Should be a minimum of 7,500k's and with synthetic oil should easily go to 15,000k's between services.

Perhaps you need some information on synthetic oil:
http://mr2.com/TEXT/synth_oil.txt
http://www.users.conninc.com/pgoodson/SynthOil3.htm

You can phone Mobil Oil on their 1800 033 863 for the correct lubrication system for whatever vehicle you buy.

I just bought a new Triton 2.8l diesel, but probably would not have enough grunt for you. At $21,990 and $995 for alloy or steel bull and 2,200kg square hitch towbar is a damn good deal. I am happy with the performance of the 2.8l diesel. Fitted cruise control to it the second day, and it cruises just fine at 110k/h on the highway and is great in the bush.
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Follow Up By: Greg Harewood - Friday, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:00

Friday, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:00
Dave, is this the Tax Exempt Price? Sounds pretty cheap. Did you pay cash or with all that gold you've been collecting over the years:)?
Cheers
Greg
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Reply By: voxson - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
Less parts to go wrong with a diesel and would be my pref if going to remote areas, also a diesel with a snorkel is almost unstoppable and a petrol has the "water in the electrics" possibility with creek crossings.

If you are not going remote or deep water just flip a coin....

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Reply By: Will - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
Resale value...
I don't know the hilux much but take a popular vehicle such as the Patrol...
Every time I pull up at a Nissan Dealer or close to a car dealership they offer to buy my 4.2TD GU patrol, they reckon they don't get enough of them and the demand is high while in their yard they have two or three petrol patrols....
They are asking $50k for a second hand 4.2TD patrol 2000 model with around 30000kms on the clock when I paid $51000 new....
While the same model petrol is $35 to 40k.
A 3 or 4 years old diesel with 150000kms on the clock is still considered just run in by mechanics and dealers while a petrol is already starting to show signs of oil consumption and "high" milage acording to the dealers.
After owning a diesel, I would never go petrol again.
Price difference in fuel, you quoted 10c... that is around the city, start heading out and the difference goes the other way...

Will
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Follow Up By: Tim - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
will - i like your comment 'take a popular car like a patrol" - i dont want to be nasty as i also have a patrol but hilux is popular and gives the patrol a real caning in the sales figures!
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
Go back and check the sales figures.
Running costs of Nissan in reliability tests was also better than Toyota. Toyota is badly overated product that is leaning on their past laurels.
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Follow Up By: Tim - Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00
natioanal figures suggest that hilux as a range out sell patrol as a rande at the rate of 4 to 1 - please believe me im a nissan owner not bias to toyota
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Reply By: rodeoowner - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
G'day mate, what an interesting question. I would say that the 14L/100km figure for the V6 Hilux would be best case scenario. My V6 Rodeo at best averages 16L/100km. I thought that I would get a TD next time, but not sure. Where I live Diesel and petrol are the same price. Cheers.
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Reply By: Tim - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
i sell the mazda products and you can buy the runout t/d d/cabs sdx bravo+ for $38K on road - air, canopy, bullbar, alloys, electrics the works - i have driven mid distance ad find them to be an exceptional highway cruiser and have done numerous 4wd training courses with oppisition cars and have found them to be a goo off roader too
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
I would have bought a Mazda if they had had a 60/40 or buckets in the cab/chassis, but they did not. The cab/chassis or twin cabs brands around here are now all pretty equal. I am amazed at the new Tritons on the road lately.

Tim, correct me if I am wrong, but when you say 'run-out', the new model is purely body cosmetic change from what I have been told.
The engine, gearbox and all running gear on the new model is all identical to the existing model. With the Mazda diesel it is 10,000km between services, not 5,000 like Hilux.

I saw the extra-cab model of the new Mazda at the recent 4WD show in Melbourne, and the centre opening doors are great.
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Follow Up By: Tim - Saturday, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:00
yeh - that is correct - jut a cosmetic face lift - but a good one with better 15" alloys / flares / 2 tone etc
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Reply By: Goodsy - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
Trentski don't listen to the others buy a Hilux. Would stick to the turbo diesel if you plan to travel. Fuel econmey a lot better, but it has a lot less power. Allways a decision power or fuel econmey. I would not buy a Mazda. Check the number of dealers Australia wide, Mazda verses Toyota. If you do have a problem (unlikely) you are 100 times more likley to find help driving a Toyota and won't get a dunno made from the local (Toyota)mechanic.
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
Goodsy what you should be saying is getting ripped-off badly by Toyota for their overpriced poor designed engined vehicles.

Hope you realise the Hilux is fully made in Thailand. A fact Toyota do not like to advertise. How come every other equivelent 4WD is so much substantially cheaper than Toyota?
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00
I tried tellin him the fuel econ on the diesel is better

I4b with a few luxs and we have move than once get out of the bush as the petrol car is running out...

As someone else said, diesels, less to go wrong and dont cry when they get wet...
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Reply By: Goodsy - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
Get what you pay for.
Also look at resale value.
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Follow Up By: Goodsy - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
We'll talk cab chassis diesel.
Nissan td $33340
Mazda td $31145
Toyota td $33390
Mitsibishi d $29990

Buy the way the mazda is also made in thailand.
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:00
Mitsubishi Triton 2.8L diesel is currently on special for $21,990 and $995 for alloy or steel bullbar, with square hitch 2,200kg towbar, plus $475 dealer delivery and then rego and stamp duty. When I bought mine they had vouchers for free air as well. I paid $23,480 for mine with air.
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Follow Up By: Ray - Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00
That sounds like a good buy Ozi, is that a dual cab ?
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Reply By: Dazmit - Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00
Ozi

The Triton would want to be that cheap since it doesn't have a Turbo & the turning circle of a road train.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00
Trentski, Reckon you would be pleased with the turbo, we have a naturally aspirated dual cab here, its done nearly 40K since Feb 02, and we haven't had a problem with it except 2 broken bonnet hinges. Gets along well, even with 5 up. The turbo would be magic. They have a turbo at national park near here, and Rangers say it's excellent.Maybe if you put synthetic oil in it, you wouldn't have to change the oil again??!!!
Stick to advised changes until the warranty runs out, then do what you like. We have had good warranty service here with g'box and diff problems in a 79 series. Are closing the lease on it before warranty runs out. Enjoy your shopping, Trentski....
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Reply By: Phil G - Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:00
Same agruments comes up on the Prado group (same choice of motors). Running costs of the 3.4V6 and the TD are identical. V6 is cheaper to service, the TD uses less fuel.

It boils down to what you are planning to do with the vehicle. Lots of desert trips - get the diesel. Anything else - doesn't matter. They are both great motors.

Cheers
Phil G
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Follow Up By: Trentski - Friday, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:00

Friday, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:00
Phil,

where do I find the Prado group? I am guessing that the relative differnece in fuel economy would be similar for the Hilux as it would the Prado variants.
The sums so far estimating 15l/100km for V6 and 11l/100km for turbo diesel mean it would take 120,000km before the extra cost of the diesel ($5,000) pays back the extra cost of the fuel for the V6.

Trent
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Reply By: Phil G - Friday, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:00

Friday, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:00
Trentski,

Prado group:http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/90scool/

I've been on the group since it started and running costs, comparisons etc come up a lot. If I can just summarise it for you:

Prado diesel owners mostly get 10.5 to 12.5 l/100km. V6 owners get mostly 12.5 to 15 l/100km. But the hilux motors are a little different with the diesel lacking an intercooler and the V6 is detuned. May actually mean the difference between these two hilux motors will be slightly less.

Running costs are irrelevant. Fuel savings (in city) with the diesel are offset by dearer fuel, more frequent servicing (5000km for oil). Means its really line ball. Both motors are dead reliable with pretty much no major problems after being on the market for over 6 years.

Advantages of diesel: crawls better; better engine braking, greater fuel range; safer fuel to carry in desert; Disadvantage: have to keep your fuel absolutely clean

Advantages of petrol: ballsy motor; quieter; cheaper fuel; less servicing (10,000km);

If it was me, I'd get the petrol unless I was planning to do lots of desert trips. I own a Prado diesel because its the best vehicle on the market for desert trips.

Cheers

Phil G
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