VE vs. In-Line fuel pump for Patrol TD42
Submitted: Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 19:29
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Member - Chrispy (NSW)
Hi all
Can someone tell me the difference between the VE-type pump and the in-line? I have the VE, and not having seen one before (seen plenty of Patrols with in-lines) I was wondering what the differences, advantages or disadvantages of having one were?
I have a DTS aftermarket turbo fitted.
Cheers
Chris
Reply By: GUPatrol - Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 22:33
Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 22:33
Chris,
In line pumps are very old technology, early GQs with the TD42 engine used to have them until the new VE rotary type came along.
Main difference is that the rotary pumps are smaller, quieter, faster, more precise and take less HP to run.
Rotary pumps use the fuel as coolant and as lubricant, they have a built in lift pump (they bring the fuel from the tank as
well as into the engine and some back to the tank).
In line has a camshaft which pushes the pistons, the camshaft area is separate from the top section and engine oil pressure lubricates the pump (athough some of the use their own oil), there is also a separate lift pump which brings the fuel from the tank to the pump itself.
These pumps are very simple and other than
the governor and automatic advance there is nothing else to go wrong.
In line pumps are not so much affected by bad fuel and water (not to the same extent) as the rotary types.
That's it in a nutshell with many many different types of in line and rotary.
In line pumps are still being used today in some trucks.
Will
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Friday, Aug 05, 2005 at 07:37
Friday, Aug 05, 2005 at 07:37
Thanks for that Will!! :)
Top explaination. That's all I was after.
I now notice that the current QU (4.2) still has a VE.
Cheers!
Chris
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Reply By: prado_95 - Saturday, Aug 06, 2005 at 15:48
Saturday, Aug 06, 2005 at 15:48
As pointed out, the VE type injection pump (which on Jap vehicles tends to actually be a VP) is usually electronically controlled these days (for both power and emissions reasons).
Generally these types of diesel injection systems are being displaced by common rail diesel injection systems, which are completely under computer control (as in your Jeep). Common rail systems further enhance power and emmisions reductions. Many medium size trucks are now common rail too.
Water is the enemy of all diesel injection systems, due to the fine tolerances of the pump and diesel fuel lubriaction in the VE/VP type pumps.
Check the filter (or bowl as appropriate on other vehicles) every service, and when ever you have to get fuel from unknown suppliers. The trick here is to get fuel from the truck pumps (the pump with the big nozzle on the end of the hose) at high turn over locations. They also fill at a decent rate, specially if you are putting in 150litres or more.
Dave
-TEK
Diesel Engine Performance Centre
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Saturday, Aug 06, 2005 at 16:44
Saturday, Aug 06, 2005 at 16:44
Thanks Dave :)
Yeah... I always try to pick up diesel on the main highway (Hume) through a high-flow so that I know that it's fresh.
My manual does say "VE-type" (genuine Nissan Workshop Manual) and there doesn't seem to be much electronics involved (then again, it is a 1995....). Think I'm going to try and find a Lucas filter with the glass bowl so I can see what's in there.
Cheers mate
Chris
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Follow Up By: prado_95 - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 18:44
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 18:44
Don Kyatt used to have them at favourable pricing. I have not checked recently though.
Dave
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 08:10
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 08:10
Crispy , when you go looking for the lucas /cav filter with glass bowl
check out the prices at your local MARINE chandlery , you most likely will save 30/50% of prices charged elsewhere ,,, Repco sell a conversion kit for $85 trade , my local boating place sells a whole inline kit allowing you to allso keep your original filter for $98 retail ,,,double filtration = cleaner fuel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 08:21
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 08:21
Thanks fellas :)
Will
check out both.
Alloy - do Whitworths qualify as the type of chandlers I could go to?
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 08:58
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 08:58
Chrispy ,Im Qld , no Whitworths , but if sell boats and gear should have acc for diesel as per inbuilt yacht engines,
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