Wednesday, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:00
Ok, obviously this has got a little out of hand.
Naturally, everyone has a right to their own opinion & an equal right to express that opinion - no problem there.
Truckster, i think your comments to Murraysposers were a little harsh - he was simply expressing an opinion!
Old Soldier, i certainly did not mean to offend, but your comments, i thought, were a little strange, not so much in their content, but in their timing.
You had ample opportunity to express your views on the issue some 5 weeks ago, when details of the trip you are talking about took place - yet you decided to remain silent - why is that?
I certainly disagree with the comments you made. How anyone can make a judgement on exactly what went on, without actually being there is beyond me. From the reports that you have read & the pictures displayed, there is no evidence to suggest that inappropriate 4wding took place.
Why is driving through a mud hole so bad? are you basing your opinion on the photos or the written explanation - do you not think a littel "poetic licence" may have been used, a little exageration possibly. How do you know if it was "virgin ground" or not?
I think the example you have used was a mud hole that was not in a National Park, but in a logging area - hardly virgin ground now is it!
You say the soil erosion would be immense, i hardly think, looking at the photos, that erosion on that dead flat piece of land would be a major problem.
Driving through a creek - how fast is too fast? 10Kmh, 20, 30? Everyone will have a different interpretation of this.
Just because pictures have been taken of dirty vehicles, why is that childish? Have you stopped to think that the tracks may have been extraordinarily dusty & photos were taken to show just how dusty it was - what is wrong with that? A group of vehicles travelling at 10Kmh in convoy will get just as dusty as vehicles travelling at 60Kmh.
The group of people on this trip, did they throw beer cans out the window, did they leave toilet paper in the bush, did they leave rubbish at the campsite - i think not.
Don't you think that the above is far worse than driving through a creek, in your opinion, a little too fast? Don't you think a couple of dirty nappies will cause more harm to the environment than a dozen vehicles driving through a creek, or 3 vehicles driving through a mud hole?
BTW, it appears the people on the
forum you are referring to have a lot of fun. It appears that when questions are asked, serious answers will be given.
There is also plenty of banter, plenty of jokes & plenty of laughter - what's wrong with that? Does a
forum have to be serious all the time?
I think if you've got a sense of humor, most of it is quite amusing.
I think the "senior members" as you put it (i can only assume you classify these by the number of posts) are pretty good blokes who seem fairly smart & knowledgeable & don't mind having a fun time, by occasionally taking the piss out of each other, but at the same time helping out wherever possible - no crime there i wouldn't think.
Look, at the end of the day, you've got your opinion, i've got mine & they happen to differ. Without first hand knowledge & the actual facts as they happened, it's a little hard to take your opinion seriouly.
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Follow Up By: Damien - Wednesday, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:00
Wednesday, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:00
Truckster, i just re-read your post & it appears you may have been directing your comments to myself & flappan as well.
I don't think there is any need for that kind of persoanl abuse & i am not going to get into a slanging match with you.
His comments, by virtue of the example he used, is directed squarely at a particular group of people.
Unless you know the facts & have got something sensible to say - please don't waste my time.
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