Amp draw of engel

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 21:52
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Just bought a 2nd hand engel today, its a 29 litre black and grey model. The panel that shows the power usage is worn and I cant read how many amps it will/should draw on 12v, can someone help.

Also where is best place to get a cover for the fridge (price wise obviously)

Thanks...
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Reply By: Jimbo - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 22:01

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 22:01
Frank,

Can't say exactly for your's, but the 39L of the same vintage draws 3.7 amps when running. I'm guessing they ran the same size compressor. "When running" is the key.

Depending on how high you set it and the ambient temperature will decide how often it cycles. Also depends on whether you keep it in the shade with plenty of air flow or lock it in the back of a hot car.....many variables.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Follow Up By: hl - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 08:34

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 08:34
Hi,

Sounds about right. Interesting bit of trivia, I am currently running my 40l Waeco on AC through an energy meter. It is just used as a drink fridge when not travelling. It has consumed a grand total of 78 cents worth of power in a month running!! (at 11.5c kw/h)

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 09:20

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 09:20
That would suggest an average draw of 18.8 amps (at 12 volts) per day.

Sounds about right for the way you are using it.
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Follow Up By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 16:06

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 16:06
Hi hl,

Interested in your energy meter. Can you give any details, functions, cost, where to bu?y ?

GeeTee
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Follow Up By: hl - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 16:15

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 16:15
Hi,

It is a Silicon Chip kit, available from Dick Smith or Altronics for around $120.00. Quite a nifty device. Makes you realize just how much the old "beer fridge" costs to run. Mine was about 100 bucks a quarter, so I turned it off!!!

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 15:27

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 15:27
Hi hl,

Picked up the kit from Dick Smith's here in Darwin this morning. Well on the way to completion ! !

GeeTee
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Reply By: stevesub - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 09:36

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 09:36
We have a 39L Engel in our Troopy. The setting on the fridge is usually 2 and the current draw is approx 4 amp when the compressor is running. If the ambient temp is around 20 to 25 degrees, from memory, the fridge is on for say 10 min per hour when it has chilled down. However when the ambient temp is up around 40 degrees, the fridge never switches off.

There is no cover on the fridge.

It is an old fridge and may not be workin g 100% but still keeps the beers and food cold whatever the ambient temp. Hope this helps

Stevesub
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 10:52

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 10:52
I measured an older B-series (1992) model at about 5 amps when cycling.
Engel quoted a max power consumption of about 3.7 AH which is about right.

Out of interest, my F-series (current model 40 litre) uses 2.8 amps when cycling - its a lot more efficient. I measure the second battery voltage and the later fridge appears to use a lot less power.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: angler - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 21:02

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 21:02
The older light green engels use about double the current compared with the later grey ones.
If you are ever after a second hand engel get a grey one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 21:38

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 21:38
Angler,
Only the F-series grey Engels had the very low power consumption. They have the forward facing dial, and are the current series - been around for about the last 4 years I think.

The E-series Grey engels had a higher power consumption - they had the dial on top at the rear, like previous engels.

Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: signman - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 13:21

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 13:21
I painted the lid of my Engel 40 WHITE. It is normally dark grey- and when in the sun for a short time you could feel the heat radiating from it. Painting it white MUST improve the efficiency??
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 17:05

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 17:05
Yep ,you have improved the effiicency by the % of 1 flys d-ck , lost resale value by over 50% ,GOOD ONE.
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 17:51

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 17:51
Whilst I wouln't put so indelicately as Alloy I would suggest putting a silver windscreen reflector thingy, from the Reject for about $3, would deflect a lot more heat.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 18:00

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 18:00
Jimbo ,you know by now that I call it as I see it , idelicate ?? nah !! just 40odd thousand posts in the archives on fridges and how to improve same ,tits friday and due to swmbo s leg no can go camping , indelicate ??? would hope so ..
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 19:54

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 19:54
"tits friday" ????

The best I look forward to on Friday is a drink or two after a week at work.

What do you get on Saturday?
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Reply By: ACDC - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 21:21

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 21:21
Well fellas i have data logged a new engel 40 litre with 4litres of water in it temp set at 4-5 c ambient temp32c it used 26 ah over 24 hrs.
The same test with a new 40 litre waeco used 18.5 ah over 24 hrs
But which is more reliable???
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 21:42

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 21:42
Good observation.

Out of interest, what was the amp draw of each fridge when cycling??
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 06:47

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 06:47
Interesting.

Were the fridges opened during this time?
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Follow Up By: hl - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 09:37

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 09:37
Yes, very interesting. That seems to back up the blurb from WAECO which says that lower compressor power draw does not necessarily translate to "more efficient".
In my test I actually run the WAECO40 AC on mains power with it's built in supply. I note that the supply draws 6.8 Watts continously, rising to around 65 watts when the compressor is running or 90-95 watts if the turbo button is pressed.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 12:24

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 12:24
The fridges were not opened.
The engel current draw was approx 2.7 amp when running
The waeco current draw was approx 3.5 amp when running
Obviously the engel ran a lot longer
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Reply By: brett - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 19:00

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 19:00
Whilst the Engel only draws 2.8 amps and your Waeco CF50 about 4 amps you get nothing for nothing. There is a Choice article on fridges and it show this point very well. In the same conditions the Engel ran for twice as long to cool down to a particular temp, so while they draw less while running they need to run for longer. The Danfos compressor can be set at a lower current level but it too would have to run for longer. At the end of the day overall current drawn is probably slightly in favour of te Danfos but not much in it
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Reply By: ACDC - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 20:14

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 20:14
But not much in it ! Only about 40%
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Follow Up By: brett - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 23:13

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 23:13
Allright, I was being generous, didn't want to upset the Engel brigade.
My CF50 draws about 4.5A when running, the CF40 is using the same compressor, why's it only 3.5A, have they put the compressor on a lower setting in the 40's.
I also tried logging some data, but wasn't a very good test as it was winter and fairly cold at night in the garage, had it set on 3 lights, which is zero degrees, only used 8amps in 12 hours.
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Reply By: ACDC - Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 12:23

Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 12:23
They could run them at a different speed it is easily done with a resistor in the compressor terminal box anywhere from 2,000rpm to 4,500rpm can be selected that's how the turbo button works.
Nothing wrong with an engel i'm just stating the facts.
I will be testing other fridges as i get hold of them.
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Follow Up By: brett - Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 18:22

Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 18:22
Totaly agree, there is no doubt they are a good fridge, but some people are misled by the 2.8Amp feature that engel push, they think their fridge will draw nearly 40% less current than any Danfos powered fridge when it's not the case. As the CF40 is a bit smaller than the 50 and 60 they may run it a bit slower, makes sense.
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