Just how bad is the fuel use on a 4.8 Patrol?
Submitted: Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 20:34
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V8Diesel
I might have an opportunity to buy an immaculate '02 Nissan Patrol GU 4.8 auto at the right price. What figures are you owners out there getting in litres / 100km's?
Also, what does a standard 1HZJ get in a 100 series?
Got a few sums to do. The search continues............
Reply By: Jimbo - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:02
Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:02
Mate,
Do your sums, that is what it is all about. Total cost to you, not what it will cost you at the bowser.
Despite the current cost of fuel it is not the major factor in your overall use of the vehicle.
Factor in cost of finance (even of you can pay cash, that money would have been earning you 10% in a
well managed investment). Let's say you can get thet 4.8 GU for $15,000 less than a T/D Cruiser. Your $15,000 saving has the propensity to save you $1,500 (@ 10%) per year. That's a lot of fuel.
Then the depreciation. A 2002 Patrol at say, $35,000 has done most of its depreciating as has something else at $50,000. You've got to ask yourself what will they both be worth in another 4 years and factor that in.
Servicing? Petrols cost much less than diesels.
Longevity? The diesel will last longer if you plan to keep it a long time.
Repair costs?
Driveability that suits your needs.
It goes on and on.
No rights nor wrongs.
Good luck, you sound like a smart bloke who has probably already considered these things anyway.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 01:55
Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 01:55
Couple of questions - who said anything about a turbo diesal, he didnt
servicing - While I have never taken a cruiser in for a service from reading the service schedule I cant see why a diesal would cost much more except they take a bit more oil (probably offset by sparkplugs) both have the same service intervals so where is the extra cost?
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:51
Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:51
If you'd been following his story you would know he is in the market for a Patrol or Cruiser Diesel.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:09
Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:09
One magazine in one of the pre delivery tests had them in soft sand work at 54/100....
the 4.5's were getting (this is the bloke I wheel with with a auto 4.5) around 22/100 road work. He went to LPG 12 mths before he sold it. he got a company car, so didnt need it. He was happy with the costings after LPG.
Theres a reason that its at the right price but the power would be very nice.
Robin is bound to pipe up soon he has a 'light weight' one.
also
check the patrol forums and archives theres stacks on them in there. Not many issues with things going wrong...
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:26
Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:26
Yaeh agree with you there truckster, our friends have a 4.5 petrol (manual) and uses 20/22 round town, about 35 on the sand at
stockton beach and about at best 17/18 on the open road without towing anything. Not sure if he's fair dinkum about the sand results sounds a bit high to me but then again could be either way I'm glad I'm not paying his fuel bill but then he leads me for dead up hills no comparison, that's where I'd prefer a petrol. Take Care Steve M
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Follow Up By: flappa - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:12
Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:12
I also have a 4.5 , and the 4.8 uses less fuel then
mine.
20/22 Around town is about right , as it is when towing our campertrailer.
17/18 highway is also about right , with my best of 15/100.
35/100 on the sand IS high , but you can see how it happens. I would say , he wasn't interested in trying to conserve fuel at the time. The worst I got was 26/100 towing on sand.
These claims of 50odd litres per hundred K's , while VERY possible , are usually made by people that Dont OWN the vehicle and AREN'T paying for fuel (ie mags). If its your vehicle and your pocket , it doesn't get that high.
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Reply By: Member - Darren & Janella (WA) - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 22:00
Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 22:00
G'Day V8Diesel,
I have a 2003 4.8 auto. It gets on average around 18-20l/100ks running around during the week. On a long run up to say
Kalbarri from
Perth it averages 'round 14-16l/100ks depending on the amount of overtaking etc...
Don't know weather you are familiar with
Wagoe Beach (just south of
Kalbarri), but the sand there can be pretty hard going at times especially in summer on the run up the dunes to the
farm chalets - anyway, last year when I was there I was probably getting approx. 22-24 beach driving some of that in low range.
All in all I'm happy with the beast.
Cheers
Darren.
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Reply By: Coyote - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 13:15
Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 13:15
As an interesting comparison. I've got the puny 2.8 GU and it gets on average 17-18L /100k's but obviously lacks the power etc of the 4.5's.. So even going with a smaller engine doesn't save you fuel by much.. the poor little thing is working it's ring gear out (literally) just to sit on 110k/hr all the way to Pt
Augusta from
Adelaide (Pretty much flat) mind you fully loaded it's
well over 3 Ton.
Would love to read obout compariosn with the 4.2 and 3.0 Nissan Patrols.. I hear the 3.'s are pretty suped up and hence exy and techincal for the road sise fix if needs be wheas the 4.2 is a pretty simple 6 Cylinder makingit cheaper and simplet to look after.. Comments anyone? sounds to me like the 4.2 is a happy medium between the big 4.5/4.8 and the 2.8/3.0????
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Reply By: Grizzle - Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:04
Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:04
I have had an 80 series cruiser, a 100 series (4.5) and currently run a 4.8 Patrol (2002). The 4.8 is the thirstiest of the lot. I put gas on
mine a year ago and get approx. 320-330 k out of a 92 litre usable gas tank when towing. The engine is so powerful that you do not really notice the difference. I tow an offroad Jayco Swan and aslo a large inboard ski boat. I also find that if I keep the revs below 2500 rpm the economy is good (I do this even when pulling away from lights etc). Over 2500 RPM you think someone has drilled a hole in your tank.
With the gas system I also had the 75 Litre petrol tank fitted so you can also get a decent range out of it.
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Follow Up By: Grizzle - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:17
Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:17
One other thing I forgot to mention, the 4.8's have a habit of burning out the catalytic convertor due to the higher exhaust gas temperatures of LPG. I did one halfway across the Nullabor (not good) I managed to limp to
Perth and had a Hi-flow stainless steel one fitted ($350.00). When I got back
home to
Melbourne and did some research it seems that this is not an uncommon event!!! Worth the extra money to just rplace it when you convert to gas and save getting stuck in the middle of nowhere like me!
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Follow Up By: Grizzle - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:17
Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:17
One other thing I forgot to mention, the 4.8's have a habit of burning out the catalytic convertor due to the higher exhaust gas temperatures of LPG. I did one halfway across the Nullabor (not good) I managed to limp to
Perth and had a Hi-flow stainless steel one fitted ($350.00). When I got back
home to
Melbourne and did some research it seems that this is not an uncommon event!!! Worth the extra money to just replace it when you convert to gas and save getting stuck in the middle of nowhere like me!
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