toyota 1hz blown up

Submitted: Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:54
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Hi after reading a few post on heavy fuel consumption i thought that i would tell my tale I have a 79 ser ute with 160 km on clock after market turbo and it bleep it self last week no warning so i thought until i started looking for answers fuel consumption was around 20L/100km no matter how i drove it . talking to friends they were getting around the same so just decided that must be the norm any way towing a heavy trailer grey smoke started coming from every were so i shut it down. After pulling the motor down we found number 2 piston badly cracked and the bore was scored and cracked" number 2 of corse and number 6 piston cracked with grabed ring which left us scraching or heads until we had the pump and injectors checked and they were rosted 2 grand over hule on injectors and pump sounds cheap now luckly no head damage and i have a exhurst temp it was runing at 450 deg's working hard and no black smoke .
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 10:20

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 10:20
Sounds like a incorect turbo set up to me , did you get it dyno'd when you fitted the turbo to set the fuel up correctly ? Sounds like she was running lean and hot
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Follow Up By: Billowaggi - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 22:30

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 22:30
Hi Rock Crawler. Lean diesels run cooler in the exhaust unlike petrols.
Regards Ken.
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:24

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:24
But surely a lean diesel will cause a piston meltdown
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Follow Up By: Billowaggi - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 22:33

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 22:33
Hi Rock Crawler I have had experience with diesels and dyno tuning and reduced fuel seems to make them run cooler in the exhaust , increased fuel , hotter. this is oppisite to a petrol eng, Perhaps Ian from Thermoguard Protection could help us out here?
Regards Ken.
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 22:41

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 22:41
Disels are another bread lol I guess there is also the pre detination problems o not enough fuel , or is it to much fuel ? lol

Be good to get a answer from someone

Actually might make some calls lol
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:32

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:32
Hi Guys,

Hmmm, not sure what 'disel bread' would taste like but, as Ken (Billowaggi) has invited me to comment, here's the guts of my recent reply to Andrew's post no. 26274:

"Hi Andrew,

Wish I'd spotted your post earlier before so many 'diesel myths' had surfaced again...

I'll try to dispel a common myth - it is impossible to run a diesel 'too lean'. They always run with air/fuel ratios on the 'lean' side of stoichiometric. At idle, the ratio is hugely 'lean' - just a tiny squirt of fuel is injected into a cylinder full of air. At full throttle, the ratio is closer to stoichiometric but will never actually get there without generating damagingly high exhaust gas temperatures (EGT). So it is actually 'rich' ratios (overfuelling)that cause trouble in diesels...

Please note, I've used the term 'ratio' rather than 'mixture' as diesels never actually have an air/fuel 'mixture' in the way petrol engines do. The only time a 'mixture' exists is in the instant between the beginning of injection and the beginning of combustion - an matter of milliseconds at most. Enough diesel theory - back to the subject at hand...

Non-factory-turboed engines have injection pumps without a manifold pressure compensator (otherwise know as a boost compensator or, somewhat erroneously, as an 'aneroid'). Putting a turbo onto a 'normally-asphyxiated' diesel with a non-compensated injection pump will always be a compromise. Without a manifold pressure compensator, the pump can never deliver the optimum quantity of fuel in both off/low-boost and full boost conditions. BUT, the results can still be quite acceptable and reliable, as long as the engine is not heavily over-fuelled at full load...

...After fitting the turbo kit, this (maximum fuel delivery) will need to be adjusted to increase the full load fuelling in line with the increased air charge. It is critical that this be done while monitoring EGT, either with a temporary gauge or after installing a permanent gauge kit.

In Andrew's situation (non-compensated pump with moderate boost) it is generally possible to find a maximum delivery adjustment setting which gives satisfactory performance without excessive EGT (or smoke) at full boost AND not too much smoke (overfuelling) during low boost acceleration.

If you are confident with your mechanical abilities, I'd recommend you fit an EGT gauge and monitor your engine under 'real world' conditions. [Yes, I do sell them but I really believe any non-standard turbo diesel should have one. If you don't like mine, get another brand - but do get one!]

If you find your maximum EGT is well within acceptable limits when under heavy load at full throttle (say, less than 650 C upstream/450 C downstream), you probably have some scope to increase the maximum delivery adjustment. Conversely, if your EGT is reaching high levels (700+ upstream/500+ downstream) within a short period at high load, your max. fuel delivery may already be a bit too high.

But also remember, pump delivery adjustment is only part of the story. The entire fuel system needs to be in good order to get reliable performance. General maintenance items like valve clearance adjustment needs to be correct. If the engine already has high kms (say, >200,000), it's probably advisable to have the pump and injectors checked and re-calibrated/reconditioned/replaced by a reputable specialist. Also the injection timing needs to be spot-on. This is another area where the accumulated experience of specialists like Denco comes in. Any competent 'home mechanic' should be able to check the timing to factory spec but experienced specialists will know whether non-standard timing is required on different engines after adding a turbo, different boost levels, with or without EGR, etc.

Hope this helps."

Again I hope this clarifies these particular diesel issues.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 17:38

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 17:38
Fantastic info Ian , I had a basic understanding of a diesel engine , well what little they taught us in trade school lol . But your input on what set up is required to turbo charge is very valuable .

Thanks again
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 18:01

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 18:01
Thanks for the kind words, Rocky.. Hope to get around to adding some of this fundamantal (but not widely understood) stuff to my website soon (next week or two??), so pop in now and again and have a squizz.
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 18:02

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 18:02
Thanks for the kind words, Rocky. Hope to get around to adding some of this fundamental (but not widely understood) stuff to my website soon (next week or two??), so pop in now and again and have a squizz.
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 18:05

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 18:05
At the risk of sounding like a Hilux ad - bugga!! Thought I'd caught that first 'follow-up' in time to correct the typos. Apologies to all for the double-up.
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