80 series 1HZ oil pressure

Submitted: Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 22:55
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Hi everyone
At 80k my 1HZ developed a problem whereby the engine would not make oil pressure at start up for approx' 8-10 seconds if it had been shut down overnight.
Toyota had 3 goes at fixing it without any results. On the fourth go they put new oil jets into the block and this fixed the problem........for about 6 months. This week I pulled out the jets and soaked the non-return valves in caustic, blew them out and refitted them. Fixed again.......for 2 weeks. No one can tell me why the engine is doing this but they all agree that oil must be leaking back into the sump overnight and is taking 8 seconds to build up the next morning. Toyota and several engine rebuilders have never heard of the problem and don't know what can be causing it. I run a premium oil of the right grade and change it every 5k. I've now done 210k and the engine still runs like clockwork. Has anyone out there heard of this problem and better still, do they have a fix?
Here's hoping guys.
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Reply By: V8troopie - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 01:48

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 01:48
Not a HZ engine but I had a oil pressure problem with the original 2H engine in my troopy. Its done about 170k when the oil pressure suddely would drop to zero (on the dial), a little later start wildly fluctuating and then behave normally, all rather erratically initially. The engine never shut down as it would if all pressure is lost.
The problem got worse and was diagnosed as a worn pressure reliev valve, which would stick one way or another from time to time.

Fixing this would cost me over 2 grand I was quoted, apparently the whole front end had to be dismantled and a new, expensive timing cover obtained.

I opted to fit the big V8 instead - grin, and have not regretted it so far....

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Follow Up By: DMECH - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:22

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:22
we have fixed this problem by fixing slightly longer plunger in bypass valve . timing cover wears with originl plunger travel ,fitting longer plunger bridges wear .ample room for this mod works every time cost about 30=50 $ to mchine plunger use origional spring
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Reply By: kesh - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:09

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:09
I also had a problem whereby the oil pressure took several seconds to build up. This occurred immediately after replacing a Toyota oil filter with a Repco one. I put up with this for a couple of weeks then replaced with Toyo, no further prob. Now use Fleetguard, no probs. and better price.
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Follow Up By: vitara - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:30

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:30
Hi there kesh, have heard of this happening before with ryco filters, has only been that one that Iv'e heard about cause there is plenty of people round that use them and don't have any trouble.I use toyota genuine myself, I can get them for $10.90 each which is pretty close to the same price as a repco/ryco one, I'll stick with the genuine at least while I can get them cheap, luckily my mate still works for them and I use to work for them years ago so still know some people that work there.My hilux still takes around 3/4 seconds on initial start up before light goes out but my mates 4 runner has less klm's than mine and is still the same so dont think it's a problem at this stage. I presume that 3/4 second would be an reasonable amount of time for the oil flow when it's been standing over night, during the day after the initial first cold start it goes off virtually as soon as it's started so dont think there's any problem. Regards Vitara
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Follow Up By: vitara - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:35

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:35
Forgot to mention that have been told that the genuine filters also have a valve inside them that stops the oil draing from the filter so when firing up for the first time in the morning the filter has stayed full there fore spending less time filling the filter first and getting the oil to the top of the motor quicker, dont know how true this is as I have never cut one open to have a look ??? Vitara
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Follow Up By: Drew - Karratha - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 09:51

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 09:51
$10.90 for a Ryco Oil Filter?? I just paid $36.99 at Kmart - They wanted $39.99 at Repco for them (Z334 for the 1HZ)!!! I feel I have been ripped!
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Follow Up By: vitara - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:23

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:23
Hi there Drew, I think for memory my'n is the same as the old Z9 filters. Very popular filter fit a range of vehicle's Valiant, ford, the old 202 holden motors, so might be why there cheaper, even my VX commodore 01 now is cheaper to buy genuine then at kmart only cost me 7/8 $$$$$$ where to get a ryco from kmart is about 9 $$$ and I would prefer to use genuine where possible. I thought the Z334's were fairly popular as well, I don't now how they work out there pricing some times on spare parts, either way there all a rip off. I have heard coopers are a very good oil filter as well, have never tried them or priced them. Wouldn't like to be replacing filters on the patrols as I presume they still use 2 oil filters on there's as I know the old ones used 2 not sure about current models. I can see why people are starting to question the servicing costs on a diesel compared to buying a petrol and using a bit more fuel. Mind you if your towing a big load I'd still prefer to go the diesel. Have a great day Take Care Vitara
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 07:28

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 07:28
Drew , try Ebay for your filters , look under Landcruiser , have been getting mine from a place in W.A. , Genuine Toyota ,air + fuel + oil for the exhorbitant cost of $44 + postage ,, thats all 3 filters deliverd to my door for less than $55......
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Reply By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:34

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:34
Hello Vitara,
You are correct on the oil filters needing a non return valve in them. It stops the oil draining back into the sump when the engine is shutdown.
Most spin on filters have a bigger threaded hole in the middle and a ring of smaller holes around it.
The oil goes into the filter through the ring of smaller holes and out through the bigger threaded hole in the centre. If you look at the small holes you'll mostly see black rubber. The rubber is the non return valving. (Provided the filter you are looking at has a filter)
Another piece of useless information on filters, the dirty side of the filter is always the outside of the cylinder. Why, because the surface area of the exterior of a cylinder is greater than the interior. Giving greater area to catch whatever you are trying to filter out.

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Follow Up By: vitara - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 08:16

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 08:16
Hi there Geoff M, yes I have noticed the black rubber under the small holes just presumed that was part of the filtering part of the filter. Well there you go, as usual you learn some thing new everyday on this site that's why I joined. Thanks for that. If I ever need to buy non genuine I will try and find a filter with that rubber under neath. Thanks for the info. Have a great day Vitara
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 21:55

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 21:55
Hello Vitara,
Anytime, the best part about this forum is next week you'll post something and I'll say, "be buggered, I didn't know that"

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