<span class="highlight">tyre</span> <span class="highlight">pressures</span>

Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 08:45
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just inquiring about a rule of thumb for different tyre pressures on different surfaces. using bfg all terrain
eg

fire trails
rocky terrain
corrugated dirt roads
muddy/clay slipperry stuff
sand etc

gq mav

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Reply By: MAVERICK(WA) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:09

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:09
hmmmm.............I trust you carry a compressor and not all these surface types are on the one trip - I also gather you are from the east so here goes...........fire trails 25-30 rocky terrain 25-30 corugated tracks 25-30 (see a pattern here?) mud/clay 25-30 sand 15-20 rgds
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:15

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:15
love it mav....:-)
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Reply By: P.G. (Tas) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:13

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:13
G'day, I sent this reply to Angler a few days ago. Before you start dropping pressures, it is important to get the normal road pressure right first.

Here's my 3 cents worth. I just bought a 2004 GU III Patrol 3.0TD manual, and had the same questions. 27,000k's and the rear tyres are nearly smooth in the centre. I have Bridgestone Dueller A/T D693's in 265/70-16 fitted.

I started by ringing the local Bridgestone dealer and asked the question, then the local Bob franchise, and surprise, surprise, surprise, got two different answers. Maximum pressure was anywhere between 50 and 65 psi.

Time to get technical. An email to Bridgestone Australia was quickly replied too. Maximum tyre pressure - 36psi !!! So from there I went and got the axles weighed (full fuel tanks and girlfriend, and myself in the vehicle, and it weighed 1,320kilo's - front, 1,240 rear) and from there it was simple math.

The equasion went like this (front) - weight (!,320) divided be 2=660. Maximum tyre load for the D693 is 1,120 kilo's@36psi, 36 divided by 1,120=0.032143. So 660 multiplied by 0.032143=21.2psi. Now I added another 5psi for high speed running (110kph) and with 26 psi (cold) in the front it steers nicely, doesn't roll about overly, and give a smooth and comfortable ride. The same equasion was done for the rear and I run 24psi (cold) there. This is the best starting point.

From here I will monitor heat build up - I am aiming for a 4psi pressure build up after an hour of highway running. If I get more than a 4 psi build up, I will increase the cold pressures by 2psi each time until I do. Conversely if I get less than 4psi, I will start dropping pressures.

Obviously loading the vehicle will change all these figures, but it does give a good starting point. Hope this helps. Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Graham & Ann - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:08

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:08
4psi rule has been around a long time (most car tyres were a lot smaller then back then), maybe a 6psi rule could possibly be more suited to the larger tyres fitted on todays 4x4s..
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Follow Up By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 08:20

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 08:20
Mate, think your logic is a bit flawed. If you're going to do a calculation like that surely you should start at the MAXIMUM recommended pressure for the tyre. Using 60PSI as the max gives 35PSI....

26/24 WILL give a smooth comfortable ride but will also drastically increase your rolling resistance, and therefore increase fuel consumption and generate far too much heat. IMO you a running way too low for highway use.

FWIW I run 36/34 on my Pajero (+2psi when fully loaded). I air down to about 28 for gravel roads.

Cheers....
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Reply By: P.G. (Tas) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:41

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:41
G'day MrBitchi (QLD). Thanks for your follow up. Just to reinforce my logic. I emailed Bridgestone Australia about load/maximum pressures, and they replied with the maximum load per tyre on the Dueller A/T is 1,120 kilos per tyre at a maximum pressure of 36psi.

Other tyre brands may have the same load rating, but at higher pressures, depending on construction/ply rating etc, therfore each individual vehicle will be different for each set of circumstances, load/speed/conditions etc.

Example, if my axle weight were to be 1,450kilo's front and 1,550 rear I would increase my starting pressures to 28psi front and the rears to 30, then apply the 4psi heat build up rule.

I accept that in hot climates heat build up will be greater, specially during the heat of the day, but this formula is designed to give a starting point only and each individual driver should do their own calculations to suit their operating conditions.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

Cheers :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:09

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:09
No confusion at all mate. Have a look at what the MAX Inflation is on the sidewall of the tyre. That's the max, not 36PSI. It will be close to 60PSI.

What the tyre guy is telling you is you should run at 36PSI....

I still maintain thet 24PSI is WAY too low for a Patrol.
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Follow Up By: P.G. (Tas) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 17:26

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 17:26
The Bridgestone Dueler A/T's do not have any inflation pressures lisyed on the sidewall, thus my email to Bridgestone Australia. Below is the text received from Bridgestone Australia.

Peter,
thank you for you inquiry, the maximum load you can carry is 1120kg per tyre at 250kpa (36psi)

If you require further information please do not hesitate to contact me

Regards

Steve Gleeson
Bridgestone Australia Ltd.
Technical Field Services Manager Victoria

email: sgleeson@bridgestone.com.au
Mbl: 0417 737706
Office: 03 93601919
Fax: 03 9369 4455

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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:56

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:56
Way too many variables.
how heavy is your truck?
Are you towing?
what size tires?
what size rims?
what weather?
How fast?
what sort of terrain in each -
eg loose, hard packed, mixtures, how muddy how corrigated, how deep corrigations? steep slippery, flat, downhill, puddles, bogholes?

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fire trails 10-38
rocky terrain 10-38
corrugated dirt roads 10-38
muddy/clay slipperry stuff 10-38
sand etc 10-38
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Follow Up By: P.G. (Tas) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:16

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:16
Hey Truckster, Not many variables at all, quite simple really, every tyre made has a maximum load at a given maximum pressure, regardless of size. Just need to find out what the maximum load/pressure is, some tyres even have it stated on the sidewall

Simply load your rig with all your gear, including trailer before you go and run the tow vehicles axles over a weighbridge, takes 5 minutes. Simple to work out from there.

Just add 2-3psi for highway running and 2-3 psi for tempreture above 20 degrees c. Then apply the 4psi heat build up rule after and hours running. It's heat that destroys tyres!

Remember, this is the starting point for YOUR vehicle and not everyone else's. BTW, why would anyone put 38psi in a tyre with a manufacturers recommended maximum of 36psi?

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 15:09

Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 15:09
so you would not consider anything listed above as a variable?

So you would run the same pressure in an empty Hilux on sand as you would a fully loaded one on sand? on a 10degree day V a 40 degree day? Bollox. they are variations to conditions, thus require difference settings.

Why would anyone put 38 in a tire max of 36? There are people here with 42+ in them and somehow swear by it, must be like driving on solid tires..
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Follow Up By: P.G. (Tas) - Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 18:36

Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 18:36
Hey Truckster, your miissing the point somewhere here. An empty highlux and a loaded one would have different pressures to start with. The 4psi heat build up rule still applies and if you end up with 42psi in a 36psi tyre, chances are you are overloaded or driving way to fast for the conditions!

BTW, I have monitored my tyre and have found 30psi front and 28psi rear are perfect for the 4psi buildup in my vehicle. As a side note I have found out that "cold" pressures are at 20 degrees C.
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