Map reference grid question

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:37
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OK, I bought a 1:100 000 topographical survey map. I scanned a section of this and plan to import it in to ozi explorer.
To calibrate this section I would need the exact lat/long of selected calibration points.

I have no trouble dealing with lat/long coordinates but this map shows only a few of these on the margin and at the wrong area. There are lots of black grid lines, at 1000m interval, and numbers against them at the margin to establish a grid reference.
The map has this reference in the SW corner: 6494000mN, 547000mE

So, I obtained a sample grid reference point : 2431-660160
How do I convert this figure into lat/long?

I did look up google and there are calculators for the northern hemisphere as well as lots of confusing math formulae - totally mind boggling.

Anybody know of a simple way to do this or of a userfriendly web calculator for Australian locations?

Klaus
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 02:16

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 02:16
I dont quite get it - how did you get that grid ref point 2431-660160?
you say the number in the sw corner is 6494000mN, 547000mE then for each horozontal line going up it should increase by 1000 eg 1km so the next line up will be 6495000 and for each vertical line it will increase by 1000 so the next one will be 548000. The numbers in the margin are usually shortened so you just add on the front the number thats missing.
I may have totally missed the question but at a guess is your ref point 6660160N and 542431E

Depending on where you are and what you are using it for sometimes the 250k maps are a bit better as in my area they were done early 2000 where as the 100k maps are over 20 years old
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:32

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:32
Davoe's on the money

Also get hold of this book and have a read - should head you in the right direction:)....
Map Reading Guide Link on this page

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Greg
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Reply By: Charlie - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 06:36

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 06:36
No need to convert to lat/long as ozi will accept the grid references directly just type them in where it says UTM,you need the zone as well which is marked on youir paper map.
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Reply By: Coyote - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:17

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:17
It sounds like your map as another Grid Reference system on it. There are many types of Grid system used throughout the world. The Lat/Long is just one. In the military we use MGRS (Military Grid referencing System) at the bottom of the Map should be the type of Grid Ref used, could be WGS, MGRS etc.. Ozi explorer is pretty flexible with these too. So all you have to do is tell OziExplorer in the settings what Grid reference system the map you are installing is and then type in the coordinates of three known points, ie a road/crrek intersection etc.. Ozi exporer will then do the rest for you. (assuming that the map is not an obscure Grid system that is not recognised by Ozi explorer.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:57

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:57
The map in question is undoubtably showing UTM or TM projection grid lines in addition to Lat Log and as Davoe has pointed out the numbers are only shown in full in one corner - you have to add the relevant begining and end numbers to get the full number for any one grid line and enter these into OziExplorer. Military Grid Referencing systems also shorten the full UTM coordinates - and as with the shortened numbers along edge of map you will need to take them back to the full number before entering them into OziExplorer - there is no option for entering shortened MGRS numbers into OziExplorer (ie it is not "real" grid system on its own ..it uses shortened UTM/TM coordinates). Also WGS (I assume you mean WGS84) is a datum not a grid reference. You must of course specify the correct datum when calibrating any map for OziExplorer(that requires any sort of accuracy). On the 100K maps the datum and projection used are generally shown near the scale bar at bottom of map. If it says TM (Transverse Mercator) for projection, use UTM (Universal TM) as it will work fine and removes the need for some addition input of information.
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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 15:23

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 15:23
Thanks Greg and to all the othere who replied.
Its a brand new map from the chart shop in Fremantle, not a terrorist map :-0
It does say transverse Mercartor, so I guess I follow the advise of using UTM calibration.

Its just that I never done UTM, always used lat/long for calibration as most of my chart work is on marine charts which do not have the metric grid reference lines.

I was thinking a bit like some of you older blokes who always convert metric measurements to the old imperial stuff just because it sounds more familiar :-)

I guess I'll just have to get my head around that Northing and Easting way of map reference and let ozi explorer do the number crunching.

Which brings me to another question, will the downloaded track from my GPS still be accurate? The place in question is Lake Dumbleyung and the track is the one my boat would have done.

Klaus
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 15:36

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 15:36
Klaus
Once the Map is calibrated correctlly (using lat/long or UTM - dont mattter) and assuming GPS configuration in OziExplorer is right for your particular gps it will plot exactly on spot - OziExplorer does the hard work. I generally use Lat/Long as well - easier (less numbers to stuff up), especially if you have complete scan of map - each corner of map has the lat/long shown.

Now if you had purchased that wonderful South West WA 50K Raster CD (from C&M Shop or exploroz) you would not have had any probelms at all (as all maps calibrated and ready to go with OziExplorer)..plus its at 50,000 scale so better detail.

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Reply By: Coyote - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:18

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:18
It sounds like your map uses another Grid Reference system on it. There are many types of Grid system used throughout the world. The Lat/Long is just one. In the military we use MGRS (Military Grid referencing System) at the bottom of the Map should be the type of Grid Ref used, could be WGS, MGRS etc.. Ozi explorer is pretty flexible with these too. So all you have to do is tell OziExplorer in the settings what Grid reference system the map you are installing is and then type in the coordinates of three known points, ie a road/crrek intersection etc.. Ozi exporer will then do the rest for you. (assuming that the map is not an obscure Grid system that is not recognised by Ozi explorer.
I don't have Ozi exploere here at work with me or I would try and give you clearer directions sorry. e-mail me at damian.reitsma@defence.gov.au if you want more advice.
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Reply By: Bega Photographer - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:29

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:29
G'day Troopie.

You've been given some good and reliable advice already about calibrating your scanned map. Follow it.

Here it is in a nutshell:

Unless you brought the map from some international terrorist it will be in WGS84 datum with UTM map grid.

Ignor the Lat/Long coordinates. Use the UTM map grid. It's in 10 km squares. (this line is the answere to your question)

To make it a bit easier, before you scan the map, pencil in the coordinates you will use for calibration along the grid lines, in the part of the map you'll scan. Give yourself a few alternative lines.

If you are using the free version of OziExplorer you can only use three coordinates for calibrating the map. You need to choose coordinates that are the nearest to the margines of your scanned map.

Try for bottom left, bottom right and top right corners of the map. If the intersection of grid lines doesn't cooinside near the borders, then try another combination of map grid intersections.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 21:17

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 21:17
No because it is a 100 thou map it probably uses AGD 1966 The 100 thou map in front of me was done in the early 80s and is accurate from 1975 - the 250 thou maps make a better propasition at least in my area
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