60L ENGEL - Battery use
Submitted: Sunday, Sep 18, 2005 at 20:18
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REDDOG
Just bought 60 litre Engel and chasing info. I am interested to hear from anyone with experience. I currently have two start batterys, N70 century overlander in Landcruiser connected through Redarc solenoid.
How long could I expect to run the fridge off auxiliary battery?
How long should I expect to run car each day to charge battery?
What Deep cycle or calcium battery should I buy ? what size ?
I dont really want to go to solar panels and generator is not an option whrere we
camp at Christmas.
Most trips are weekenders but we do
camp for 2 weeks at Christmas when temperature is around 30 degrees.
Any advice appreciated
Regards
Reply By: Jimbo - Sunday, Sep 18, 2005 at 20:49
Sunday, Sep 18, 2005 at 20:49
If you're planning to
camp for two weeks and rely on the alternator for charge, the only battery that will do it for you is an AGM. This is because they accept a lot of charge in a little time.
You'll need a 100 amp job.
I have survived this way with an 80L fridge (prior to getting a solar panel) by idling the motor for 15 minutes, 4 to 5 times a day in warm weather. It's a pain in the crack, but it does work. Keep an eye on battery voltage and don't let it drop below 12.1 (unloaded) in the interest of prolonging the life of a $300 to $400 battery.
Anything other than an AGM will require hours of running/driving to get it recharged.
Two weeks at 30C will put a huge load on your fridge (and battery) and is ideal conditions for solar to keep it running.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 20:32
Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 20:32
Jim to say that only an AGM battery will do the job is a little misleading.
True they are ideal and will fully recharge in around an hour of running but in the same time a lead acid battery will charge to 80 or 90%. Buy a 115 AH wet cell ($220) & you have a similar amount of useable power for almost half the price.
Starting a car over 100 times in 2 weeks should drive most people to fit a solar system like you have:-)
Cheers Craig............
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 05, 2005 at 18:29
Wednesday, Oct 05, 2005 at 18:29
(QUOTE) Anything other than an AGM will require hours of running/driving to get it recharged (end quote) reason being, an AGM accepts the charge faster than a wet cell battery, and reduces the amount of time you are running the vehicle...
ALL batteries will accept charge at different rates, some batteries won't fully recharge from an idling motor because some alternators won't produce their full capacity at idle.
A low $$ cost method is a generator at less than $60 and an efficient (but) also more costly method is Solar, some people compromise for various reasons and I accept that in many cases most don't see the initial purchase price of solar as being money
well spent - till they actually use it !!
Can you HIRE a solar system ???
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Reply By: Peter - Sunday, Sep 18, 2005 at 21:59
Sunday, Sep 18, 2005 at 21:59
reddog,
i have an almost identical set up as you however my 60l engel is alot older and so probably uses a touch more amps and i have a 75 amp hour deep cycle battery as my auxilliary.
i manage to get 2 1/2 to 3 days use out of the fridge(at setting 1 1/2-thats all you need to fridge things) when the temperature is over 30, before the fridge cuts out. the cooler the nights the longer is lasts. so for the weekend trips you are more than covered.
as for the chrissy trip you will need to sort something out. what jimbo said is spot on. a deep cycle or normal battery will take hours to fully charge so unless you plan on doing some driving everyday or a long drive every few days then a AGM battery is the way to go.
i can understand you not wanting to go solar. big money, especially if you do it properly(at least $1000 for 120 watt solar).
one thing you may want to consider, and i have no doubt the solar experts will have some input to this idea, is if you dont want to get rid of your auxilliary battery just yet and buy a AGM battery spend the money on a 50 to 60 watt solar set up.
yes i know this isnt enough, but if you arent going to be going anywhere during the chrissy camping you can use one battery to run the fridge. over the 2 to 3 days it is being drained by the fridge the other battery is being charged by the solar panel. then you swap them over. then repeat the process. the way i figure it that way your fridge and other electrical stuff are always going. the other battery not being used is getting 2 to 3 days of charge(more than enough i would think??).
this way at least you can get started on a solar system, add to it in the future if you so desire and when the auxilliary battery does need replacing you can get a AGM if you so desire.
but alas i am poor and just have a dream that one day i will have money and will be able to do just such a thing and the sun will shine and it shall be good and the plan shall come to pass and all upon this land shall rejoice and behold the wonder of my plan and shall say unto each other he has done good.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:50
Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:50
typical solar panel installation:
Solar panel is connected to a "decent" battery and the fridge is also drawing power from same "decent" battery.
Solar panel (80 a/h) should deliver ~2 to ~4.5 a/h and the fridge will remove ~2 a/h (Engel numbers) and if you start with a fully charged battery, you can remain in one place indefinately without starting the vehicle if you have sunshine on a daily basis, if you don't why stay there, move to West Australia.
Note; the a/h numbers are for reference only, as different sized panels will supply different power numbers and also different fridge's will use different a/h, this is only posted to give an average, realistic, generalised, idea only. No fights can be entertained L0L.
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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 15:52
Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 15:52
Gaday Redog
1: Auxilary Batt.....about 2 days at best @ 30 degees.
2: Car run for minimum of 1/2 hour morning & night. (turn fridge up to max during that time & increase revs to 1100)
3: Either will work fine, the bigger the better. I can highly recomend the 115 amp hour Trojan battery.
To be honest if you intend to
camp for 2 weeks in one spot without going for a big drive every 2 days then a standard twin battery system really isn't built for the job particually in summer. A gas 3 way fridge would be far better. Alternatively 2 solar panels or a generator are your best options.
Because Engel don't put a great deal of insulation in their fridges (compared to others) their efficiency in the heat drops conciderably so if you get a couple of 36+ degree days you can nearly halve the above run time.
You say a generator is not an option but running your car for an hour a day in
camp is just as annoying ;-)
Cheers Craig..........
Twin Trojan 115 AH deep cycles & Autofridge.
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Follow Up By: REDDOG - Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 18:38
Monday, Sep 19, 2005 at 18:38
Thanks guys, sounds like AGM batery is probably the go. We do drive a fair bit over the two weeks. Probably half an hour a day , sometimes longer. Only one or two days stay put in
camp all day. Just want to be sure the beers are cold.
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