Compare Kimberley Kamper and Odyssey
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Hi, I've posted about choosing a camper trailer before and am trying to narrow the focus. I was looking at the Australian Offroad Campers Odyssey ZR and the Adventure Offroad Campers
Pilbara. Since then, I have seen a
Kimberley Kamper Limited Edition at a 4WD and Camping show and I must say I was impressed with it. Does anyone have experience with the
Kimberley Kamper and the Odyssey or the
Pilbara? The 2006 KK has just been released, but the one I had a look at was a 2005 model. I also looked at the Platinum model, but it was priced a bit high and had stuff we already have like a fridge in it.
Reply By: Col (wa) - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 16:42
Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 16:42
Hi sky pilot,
We have just done the samething as you,looked at lots of different campers. We ended up buying KK LTD Edition with mariner pack, pick it up on friday.
The quality of finish on KK excellent ,the adventure is a good camper but we liked the flip over ease of the KK , plus friends had had a KK before and never had a problem. Oz Roamers are very similar to KK but there are no agents in WA would have liked to compare them.
Col
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 20:04
Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 20:04
HI COL, Had a KK towed it down thru port lincon N/P and over to w/a border then back thru the train track to Glendambo and
home.Mate after running a CUB off road for many years the KK was a gem
well appointed and very trustworthy,will buy another when I get the moola together.By the way the KK was completly dust proof.Hope this gives you something to think about.
Regards BILLS
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Follow Up By: Sky Pilot - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 20:44
Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 20:44
OK, that answers one of my concerns about campers. Dustproofing. I saw the seals on the KK, but it is nice to hear that they actually do the job they were designed to do. One of my other concerns is packing it up wet - how wet does the bed actually get? I know there is a sheet that goes over it, but can't help think that things have got to get wet if the canvas goes away in the rain - sometimes, you've just got to pack up rain or not! The other thing I did not pay enough attention to at the show was locking. Is the whole thing lockable so you can leave it safely locked up?
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Follow Up By: Sky Pilot - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 20:51
Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 20:51
Just checking to see if I can post a picture on these forums. If it works, this is what I am asking about.
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Reply By: Patm - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 21:19
Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 21:19
sky pilot
we have a KK 2004 mariner and had a few warranty issues with to start with but
kimberley at
ballina eventually fixed the problems and they fixed it under warranty and that was fair enough we feel so we are comfortable with our
kimberley now
initially some dust got in on our trip to the cape but the side rubber squash seal was repositioned and no dust in since
camper is easy to lock up ok with a couple of big padlocks and difficult to break into when folded up and locked but nothing is totally secure - we heavy chain ours to a tree with the security 9 level lockwood padlocks if we leave it to go off somewhere in the 4b
camper can be folded up when wet but it is advisible to dry out with in 24 hrs
if i was you i would definitely get the the fly tropical roof fitted and seriously think about the swing away 3 x jc holder etc on the rear also the alum front ductwing boxes save weight over the steel ones as
well - a full size awning is a must and the light tropical awning is also handy as the camper can be folded up with it on - which is what we do when overnighting
its a good solid reliable camper and the kitchen set up is great and it retains its value
well but it is a heavy camper and you need polyairs fitted to your tow vehicle
we tow with a dtronic equipped 3.0 l td patrol ok but only just off road and only to the more easier
places but then all good off road hard floor campers are heavy to tow off road - if its solid and
well built for off road use then it has to be heavy to stay in one piece
hope this helps see you
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Reply By: MADOG - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 21:56
Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 21:56
G'day,
We purchased a KK Mariner in Jan 2005 and have given it some 20,000k workout to date with big heaps of unsealed surfaces along the way.
Had a light weight sun annex built for it that folds up easily without unzipping. Added a radio and headphones for some slumber confort plus a swing out bike rack for two bikes on the back otherwise it cam pretty much as a "burger with the lot". The sunroof is brilliant lowering those early morning northern temperatures big heaps.
Not one grain of dust gets in and not one drop of water on the bed when we pack up wet as long as the plastic cover fully protects the bed.
We still own a CUB (kept for the kidz) that we have had for 10+ years and were happy with, but the KK is bloody brilliant and I couldn't break it in a fit. Certainly would drag the KK anywhere including the CSR which we traversed last year but certainly wouldn't take the CUB there.
Regards.
MADOG
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Follow Up By: Sky Pilot - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 22:17
Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 22:17
I think my choice is getting made easier for me. I suspected the KK was going to be good, but before outlaying $30k+, I need to make absolutely sure it is the right choice. I take it that is a TD4.2 in the picture. How does it cope on hills loaded up on a trip?
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Reply By: Trekkie - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 03:17
Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 03:17
I have had a KK Platinum for over 12 months. Last year we did 17000 kms
Perth to
Cape York - no major problems - The shocks needed replacement and some other minor warranty work by KK done by their agent in
Perth - great people to do business with. I even met the owner of KK when he was in
Perth - he wanted to personally see the warranty problems.
I have a 100s TD with Dtronic chip - dont even know the trailer is there. KK claim the Camper will go anywhere your vehicle will go - Very True claim. Also have polyairs on the vehicle.
Never had any dust in the bed area - The kitchen leaked a little until I put some spacers behind the locks to increase tension on the seals - no problems since. I have a large Autofridge in the Kitchen and find that I need to keep an eye on it as it sometimes moves a little. Never had any probles with water on the bed - use common sense here.
Can be secured with padlocks and I also use a large chain around the wheel when necessary
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 07:30
Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 07:30
I've got the Odyssey ZR. KK was on my initial (long) short list. In the end my choice was between the Odyssey and
Cape York.
KK is clearly a great camper. You would be happy with either.
Dust and water proofing is great on the Odyssey. We just got back from a week at Fraser Island. Sand gets in everything. But none in the Camper when closed. We took the trailer through the high pressure under body wash at
Rainbow Beach on the way back. Not a drop of water got in.
The Odyssey ZR has the gas hot water system, ensuite and shower. Fantastic. Australian Off Road Campers were happy to discuss mods and what other purchasers have done. They invite all their owners to one or two camping trips each year. The owners all get to compare notes on what they have done and how they have set up the camper. This provides great feed back to the builders.
The Odyssey under bed drawer can not be opened without opening the camper. The builder says that dust and water proofing (deep water crossing) are a potential problem here in the long run (probably after several years on rough use?). This (no access) is not a problem to us, but it is worth considering.
I preferred the finish on the Odyssey, but that is just my view. Nothing wrong with the KK.
As I said. Both great campers. We have friends with the KK and they seem as happy with it as we are with ours (although they love our HWS and kitchen). You will be happy either way.
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Reply By: Member - John (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:25
Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:25
Sky Pilot
We have an Odyssey ZR with HWS. KK was on our list and both campers are great but we liked the finish on the ZR better. The wife also liked the kitchen design better and I liked the interior fitout which I felt was better. We could also totally customise the front drawbar due to the way it is constructed. No gull wing boxes with the ZR but we have a portabote which sits on top and would need to be removed each time for access to the boxes for roadside stops.
Underbed storage won us in the ZR - it's huge and the pull out draw - great for clothes. Everythings stainless steel incl canvas hoodbows which I think KK's are not. There is also no kitchen support stand required on the ZR.
As far as dust and water sealing both campers excel in this and in regards to the bed getting wet you have no cause for concern. Even after 3 days of rain with the canvas soaked we don't have a problem.
I remember also that the KK was about $2000 dearer when you compared apples with apples. I have heard the KK prices are going up in Dec.
Where are you based? You really need to see them in the flesh spending this sort of money.
Saw a KK again recently and we still believe we made the right choice with the ZR.
cheers
John
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Follow Up By: Sky Pilot - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:55
Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:55
I'm in NSW - Central Coast region. Finding a ZR to look at is difficult. I went to a show about a week ago and they had the KK's - all models actually, as there is a KK dealer nearby. There was however an absence of Odysseys and the Adventure Camping
Pilbara, both of which were on my short list. I have emailed the KK mob to see if they will do minor customisation, but as yet, no reply. I want to put in larger batteries, but the battery shelf, which is full width under the bed is custom made for 35Ah batteries. I would simply require a wider bit of steel so I can put some 90's in. So far, have only seen photos of the ZR, but when the time comes, we will probably go for a holiday up to SEQ and visit the factory.
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Reply By: MADOG - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:48
Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:48
SkyPilot,
My 100 Series TD is similiar setup to Trekkie with D-Tronic chip and poly air bags.
Found that with the KK the TD was slow off the mark at roundabouts and interesections etc which I believed could become a safety issue.
The D-Tronic installation now has the vehicle acting like it doesn't have the KK attached at all and in particular no great issues when overtaking or managing hills so long as a bit of forward thinking is applied.
I carry a 15hp Yamaha and a Minn Kota up front in the gull wing so the airbags were added to help the rear end - very successful result.
Regards.
Roger
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Reply By: Member - Landie - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:50
Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:50
Hi Sky Pilot
We have a 2003 Limited Edition KK and it has done extensive off-road work including the
Vic High Country, Gulf tracks etc.
To-date, we have not experienced any problems whatsoever. The finish is great, a little heavy on the ball-weight for my model, however I understand this has improved on more recent versions.
I am just back from a trip to the
Corner Country. Whilst at Noccundra
water hole we experienced a severe dust storm whilst the camper was open. We simply zipped up all the doors and windows and did not get one bit of dust in. We have never experienced any dust/water problems whilst travelling and it has seen plenty of bulldust in our travels.
We still use out tent from time-to-time, but usually have the camper with us on most trips, using the tent for forays into areas not suitable for it.
I think one of the pluses that the KK has going for it is the attentive service you get from the company and the dealer network. This was an important consideration for us.
My summary – top price, but you get top quality.
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Follow Up By: Sky Pilot - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:04
Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:04
AFAIK, you can now get the aluminium gullwing box (the same as used on the Platinum) which saves 50kg and reduces the ball weight by 27kg. Also, using a swingaway rear tyre and/or jerry can holder also shifts some more weight off the tow ball. I think it must have been a sensitive thing for them, as with that massive gullwing box so far forward on the A frame, the ball weight was always going to be fairly high.
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