Turbocharging a standard 100 series diesel

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 22:22
ThreadID: 27321 Views:4736 Replies:8 FollowUps:13
This Thread has been Archived
I've stumbled across an immaculate 1998 TOYOTA LANDCRUISER HZJ105R standard diesel with about 160K on the clock. Has been well set up for touring and is reasonably priced. Was wondering if anyone ou there has added an aftermarket turbo to this model or similar and can give me some idea on cost and if the gains were worthwhile ?

Would certainly appreciate some input or advice on this subject.

Cheers
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Member - Toolman (VIC) - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 22:39

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 22:39
Shnog Dog,
I put a turbo on my 1997 Series 80 LC ( 154,000 km on the clock) some 5 months ago and although I have not gone on a long towing trip yet, the difference in performance is already very noticable and I am glad I did it. I have noticed a slight increase in fuel consumption (from 12lt/100km to 14lt/100km) but that may be because I have more power available and I have to get used to driving slightly less agressively than I used to. I'll monitor this for a while to make sure that there is not some other underlying problem. There has been no discernible increase in the operating temperature according to the gauge.

The details

Turbo fitted by AXT turbo PTY LTD Cheltenham Rd Dandenong Vic
Cost of turbo: $2900
Fitting cost (including Dyno pre & post fitting, injector and fuel pump service and setup)etc - $500
Turbo timer: $209

I am considering an exhaust upgrade to 2 1/2" system. I'll stop the considering when I have the money to actually do it.

good luck with your decision

Toolman
AnswerID: 134856

Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 22:48

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 22:48
Thanks Toolman, I appreciate your input. I will give this some thought, for the gains in power it seems fairly reasonable.
0
FollowupID: 388860

Reply By: ACDC - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 23:07

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 23:07
What ever kit you go for do the exhaust at the same time or you are only doing halve a job.
I would recommend Denco but thats up to you!
AnswerID: 134857

Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 00:27

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 00:27
Yes, have only heard good things about Denco, will certainly do the exhaust also if I go this way.. many thanks
0
FollowupID: 388864

Reply By: guzzi - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 06:50

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 06:50
ShnogdDog
The last 2 issues of 4WD monthly has had a write up by one of the journo's doing exactly this.
He goes into water/air vs air/air intercoolers, he ends up chooseing the water/air unit, bigger exhaust, serviced injectors and a tune up to suit.
Covers improved performance and increased fuel consumption.
Worth a read.
AnswerID: 134867

Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 10:02

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 10:02
Thanks for that, I'll see if I can get my hands on a copy of these. Good timing.

Cheers
0
FollowupID: 388888

Reply By: fatz - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:14

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:14
ShnogDog, have exactley the same model. Fitted a turbo at 135,000k's and have never looked back. I also fitted a 3 inch exhaust at the same time. The power gains are well worth the money spent. The torque comes on a lot earlier. We tow a camper trailer about three weekend a month and the truck has transformed from a slow wheezer up hill to being well capable. We have covered about 45,000K's since fitting. I have noticed a slight increase in fuel economy since fitting but the biggest gains are when towing. Used to use a lot more without the turbo. People told me the driveline would suffer with the extra grunt, but we have had no issues and have covered all sorts of terrain. We fitted an MTQ unit, cant remember the cost but it was about $3500 all fitted. We spent about another $400 having it dynoed and tuned afterwards. Shop around and spend some extra dollars getting the dyno tune and having the pump set correctly. It can make a big difference. The 1hz tend to run a little hot with the turbo if not tuned correctly. Not that hot that it will cause grief, but the air con on that model shuts off if it thinks the engine is running too warm!
Go for it, you wont be sorry.
AnswerID: 134869

Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 10:06

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 10:06
Cheers Fatz, will take a look at the vehicle again this w/end
0
FollowupID: 388889

Reply By: Member - DOZER- Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 15:37

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 15:37
Gday
Another possibility is a new motor...a little thinking outside the square i know, but worth the mention....im talking about the 80 series t/d motor from a 95 or later truck.....better economy and toyota reliable...fit straight in being thesame block.
Now....something to consider is...the gearbox in the std diesel 100 is a Prado box and history has shown gearbox problems with extra torque of motor with turbo and usually more weight that caused the turbo install in the first place....so.....if you buy a 80 motor, get it with gearbox and transfer aswell, and you will have a bulletproof 100 t/d.
Been done b4.....$$ wise, a little more after you sell your motor/box/etc, more fooling around than a turbo install......in the end its up to you....the 100 petrols are alot cheaper at the moment......one on gas would be cheaper to run....worse in the outback/better in suburbia....more maintenance....wow...this is can of worms material.
Andrew
AnswerID: 134936

Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 23:02

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 23:02
Food for thought... If I could find a well set up TD 80, I'd probably just take it instead...
0
FollowupID: 388965

Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 23:55

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 23:55
Buuuuuuut
a) where do you find a td motor from an 80 - they were not overly common and fetch huge money 2nd hand 9vehicles that is)
b) whats it going to cost- I saw a 12ht with 350k so virtually a rebuilder going for 7k so whats a td 80 motor going to be worth
Good point about the gearbox
0
FollowupID: 388968

Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 07:07

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 07:07
Importers are bringing them into the country, about 12k from memory, but might have come down a little. There was a 96 t/d auto on ebay last week for 20k...it didnt get a bid, and it was nice. People arnt wanting to buy or own these cars anymore for some reason. My model is selling for 14 now.
Good place to get a donor motor would be the NRMA salvage auctions..probably pay 6k for the whole wreck, then you do have all the parts.
Andrew
0
FollowupID: 388978

Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 10:29

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 10:29
Wouldnt have thought to many would end up at salvadge yards as I dont see to many in caryards or adverised. if you could get one for 6 it would be well worthwhile.
Surly your not saying factory td are selling for around 14? The ones I have seen advertised are huge money for vehicles that age with the later ones over 30k (what they sell for could be another thing)
80s in general have dropped in price over the last year or 2 with older ones fetching below 10 (I assume these are pretty high milaege) but the good later models still get advertisd for 20+ with plenty of reasnable ones around the 13 to 18
I paid 12600 for mine but I knew it needed some work and it ended up owing me 15k with nothing (well nothing much) spent since the initial outlay
0
FollowupID: 388992

Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 17:49

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 17:49
Davo
Mine is petrol auto....there are many on the market, so its a buyers market. 14 seems to be the fetching price. Been watching ebay for years, and up till 2 months ago, never seen a t/d, but the last 2 months, seen 10 or more go through, the last one was a auto 96 with low kms (less than 200) for less than 25......thats unheard of!
Andrew
0
FollowupID: 389035

Reply By: Paul from Denco Diesel and Turbo - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 11:33

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 11:33
Dear ShnogDog,

The Denco Turbo system to suit the Toyota HZJ105 is valued at $3245 including a complete 2 1/2" mandrel bent exhaust system. We also offer an intercooler for this vehicle valued at $1815. (See Novembers issue of 4WD monthly). We usually expect an increase of up to 35% on the turbo system and up to 20% on the intercooler, depending on your vehicle. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you would like us to send you some information.

AnswerID: 135024

Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 13:15

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 13:15
Hi Guys,

While we're giving ourselves free plugs, could I slip one in here - to mention the importance of monitoring Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) on hard-working turbo-diesels, especially those with aftermarket ones or factory-fitted ones which have been fueled-up (by pump 'tuning' on mechanical injection pumps or 'chipping' electronically-controlled pumps.

I believe these engines should have an EGT gauge (or pyrometer) fitted as all such engines will be operating under more stress than a factory standard engine. Even if 'dyno tuned' on installation, 'real world' conditions can vary a lot from those on the day it's on the dyno.

An EGT gauge (whether mine or some other brand) is very cheap insurance for the many $thousands spent on a turbo and/or intercooler. Please have a look at my website for more information and prices.
Ian
AnswerID: 135043

Follow Up By: Johnny boy - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 20:13

Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 20:13
Mate I bought my 98 100 ser almost 4 yrs ago it had about 100,000ks on the clock and 190,000ks now it was already fitted with a Safari turbo and Intercooler and I have had no Probs with it even though My mates told me that if its is not factory its CHITE! well I hope to keep proving them wrong and say yeah go for it ! ( Im just going to go out and buy one of these EGT gauges now Im feeling a bit Paranoid?? )

Good Luck Regards JB.
0
FollowupID: 389259

Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 22:53

Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 22:53
Ian,
I can happily back up your ideas on EGT gauge.
It is quite amazing how quickly the temp can rise when the conditions are right (or should I say "wrong"?). I used to always drive "by the tacho", but now tend to drive "by the pyro". Gear change timing takes on a whole new meaning when you see what sort of temps the exhaust manifold is coping with.
Very happy with the Thermoguard system.
Cheers
Roachie

(NB: DISCLAIMER:.....I have have no interest in Thermoguard)
0
FollowupID: 389279

Reply By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 17:52

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 17:52
Jaycar also sell a kit to monitor EGT and set off an alarm if it goes past a certain level...had one on my petrol turbo for the last 6 months...its ok for $69.
Andrew
AnswerID: 135082

Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 23:44

Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 23:44
Hi Dozer,

I don't want to bag the opposition, especially when they probably can't respond directly, but a couple of things about the Jaycar kit:

. It's an enthusiasts kit of electronics components, which requires the buyer to have the skills to assemble such a kit, including electronic soldering and the identification of resistors, capacitors, diodes, ICs, etc. I'm not saying that's too hard (I've been doing so for 30-odd years, so it can't be that hard), but it's not for everyone.

. Not sure what was in your kit but the thermocouple shown on the Jaycar website would not be suitable for EGT applications - the lead materials wouldn't last more than a few minutes in engine bay conditions. Did you by any chance use a more robust industrial MIMS thermocouple with fibre-glass insulated, stainless-steel braided leads for your petrol turbo engine application? That would be a much better choice but such sensors do cost more.

. I can't swear to this but I recall that this design (From the Silicon Chip "Performance Electronics for Cars" booklet) provides a linear voltage to temperature conversion using a Seebeck coefficient of 40.6 uV per deg C. This is OK for lower temperatures but is not accurate at higher temperatures (above, say, 400 C). While it's far from the worst, type-K thermocouples do still have significant non-linearity at higher temperatures and an indicator design without linearization will have errors of around 20 degrees at 700 C and worse at higher temps. (If anyone's interested, I can dig out the actual linearization error at various high temps.)

So, while the Jaycar kit is quite good at it's job when correctly and competently constructed, a factory-built and calibrated indicator with appropriate cold-junction compensation and thermocouple linearization will do a better and simpler job for most users.

Ian
0
FollowupID: 389283

Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 06:49

Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 06:49
Hi Ian
Thanks for the reply, its all good info.
You are right on all counts, i repaired a pump for an electrician at work, and he soldered up the kit in return, and found me a type K as you thought.
This backs up the old saying....you get what you pay for
Andrew
0
FollowupID: 389293

Sponsored Links

Popular Products (9)