Fitch Fuel Catalyst (The Real Deal..?)

Submitted: Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:30
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Has anyone had anything to do with the Fitch Fuel Catalyst which is an inline fuel catalyst that improves diesel combustion by treating the fuel before it enters the combustion chamber. It is also famous for improving fuel economy and all in all improving power and reducing emmissions.
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Reply By: Wombat - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:38

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:38
Bill will be along very soon to tell you all about it. Where are you Billy Boy?
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 17:39

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 17:39
Thanks wombat, Check out our add on this site it leads to reveal all

BILLS
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Reply By: joc45 - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:40

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:40
I thought the oil companies treated the fuel before it got to your combustion chambers.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:45

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:45
Yeah the oil companies treat the fuel with their monopolies but that doesn't help the combustion chamber, only helps their bank balance..!
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Reply By: Leroy - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:46

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:46
hmmm sort of has the overtone of an ad.......

Yeh I've heard of it. There is a guy on here (Bill) who just bought a new TD Cruiser. He has 3 fitches and 9 hiclones and now gets 6l/100kms. Truly amazing products!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:55

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:55
No way Leroy, no ads on my behalf only a genuine question as to the validity of the product.! Thanks old boy for the feedback, you have been a great help. Now go Fitch and Cyclone yourself..! (In Humour)
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:17

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:17
So I gather from the responses so far this thing is a glorified Cyclone with a touch of Peter Brock's Polariser rolled in for good measure..! And who teh bleep in hell is Bill...?
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:26

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:26
Terra,

I'm giving you the benefefit of a doubt here that you are you are not related to Bill. SO here goes...

F4Phanton has put one on a few months back and has so far not had any significant benefits. Check the ARCHIVES!

Bill sells the stuff.

R.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 13:45

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 13:45
Ah the Energy Polariser lol. The precursorto the hyclone and fitch.

Leroy
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:52

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:52
Thanks Robak, I bought a new Diesel Hilux and was simply shopping for Bells & Whistles. Thanks for the headsup, I don't know Bill whatsoever , but someone said he comes from Snakesville..? I'll keep the $300-400 and put it towards a new tent..!
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 17:36

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 17:36
HI Guys I am back just could not resist. Terrafirma fit a fitch and with your savings buy ten new tents.Because when you fit fitch your motor will last long enough to wear out ten tents.Wake up to the new world and stop living in the past in case you have not noticed technology has progressed oin the past few years. But please tell me why people dont come back for their money with the guarantee of 90 days?????????? One day ALL will be aware of the benifits derived thru fitting FITCH. In answer to the post Fitch is great mate.

Happy motoring BILLS
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 18:26

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 18:26
How about a "money forward" guarantee...

We will pay you for the Fitch with the savings we make, based on what we are getting now, to what you claim we could get with the Fitch. Week by week. According to your hype it shouldn't take long at all.

No "Free Advertising" in the forums please...................Take your marketing offline.

If David and Michelle continue to allow such blatant advertising in the forum (with not a skerrick of EVIDENCE to support the advertised claims, other than a few well paid "tesimonials"), then this is the beginning of the demise of what was once a decent site.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:49

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:49
Guys - you are right we don't condone self-promotion, especially in the Forum. This is indeed designed to be a place for the open exchange of opinions and ideas and related discussion. However, Bill didn't start this post and I have to admit that if one of customers sees a post about his product, then he does have the right to respond. If you disagree to his response that's fine but you can't force a whole audience to agree with you. Debate is fine, but he runs a business and this silly notion of if you want to try his product that he should give it to you and you'll only pay when it works is ridiculous!
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 10:44

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 10:44
. . . and surely the blatancy of Bill's over the top salesmanship is preferable to testimonials provided by interested parties cloaked behind the anonymity that forums such as ExplorOz provide.
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Reply By: OLDMAGPIE - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 17:50

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 17:50
if fitch & hyclone & cyclone are so good for engines & economy & cpi & balance of trade & anti terrorist properties ,why hasnt little johnny howard made it compulsory to instal them in all LIBERALated vehicles?
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Reply By: Exploder - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 18:37

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 18:37
At work we have just fitted 2 Twin Turbo V16 MTU diesels to a project.
The fuel system run’s 2 Fuel purifiers and 4 fuel filters and not a fitch to be seen anywhere.

Now I am not saying it does not work as I don’t have one, but if it was as fantastic as they say it is then why don’t we run them with these engines the fuel would be cleaner and burn better and the time between overhauls would surly increase as well and let’s not forget the Extra Pro-Formance also.

Think about it
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:24

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:24
I dont have to think about it I know about it as many dont, you ALL lose I just dont care after the negative remarks from the people who dont know,If you speak from knowledge i will understand but if you dont SHUTUP.

Happy motoring BILLS
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Follow Up By: OLDMAGPIE - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:38

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:38
exploder dont feed it & it will go away
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:50

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:50
Exactly - that's what I'm trying to say!
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:58

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 19:58
Like I said I don’t know 100% that the system does not work, I was just wondering why if it is so good why it is not used by Us at work or recommended for use or pre fitted by the manufactures of these engines, Caterpillar, Detroit, Cummins, MTU Etc.

It would save us a lot of time and money installing purifiers and we could probably use fuel filters that are half the size.
That’s all I have to say on that topic.

On another note how is the new land cruiser going, has it got the Fitch on yet and what has the consumption dropped to, I think you said you were getting 10L per hundred on another post with no Fitch yes, will be waiting to hear what improvement’s economy wise you get with a Fitch (Just out of interest.)

I will not Ague with you Over it, will just be interesting to see how it goes.
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Follow Up By: warthog - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:35

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:35
No it won't be interesting, it will be annoying and you are feeding it again.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:55

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:55
Exploder,Truer words were never said,whats stopping the some experts from using this product is there relutence to open their mind to advancement in the automotive world.Isuppose I should take no notice of official reports from USA stating the extra hours gained in service life of engines fitted with our product.Anyone has every right to bag the product if they have tried it and had failure.I have had failures but allways located the fault with the engine it did not work on.So all those who offer comments as to the performance of this product, please refrain from making such comments until you know what you are talking about. Because if you have it correctly fitted to a properly tuned engine it WILL make a difference. Hence forth I shall desist from entering remarks until asked spercifically.One day happy users will enter their findings on this forum.

By for now BILLS
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Reply By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 09:07

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 09:07
Now Exploder, On your other question about my new cruiser, I asked the question about econamy because me knowing what this catalyst is doing for the internals of an engine I fitted a catalyst to it before I took it out of the dealers yard.
What I was after was feed back on same vehicles without fitch,and I will get back with readings when the vehicle is run in like a couple of months running.
Ask me what its returning about Christmas time,by that time I should have a few thousand kilometers up,I am guessing it will be using about 9ltrs pr 100. Time will tell

Regards BILLS
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Follow Up By: Tanka - Sunday, Oct 30, 2005 at 16:50

Sunday, Oct 30, 2005 at 16:50
It'll probably use less than a commodore.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 10:57

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 10:57
Guys, Thanks for all the feedback on the Fitch. As I mentioned I am a simple guy who just bought a new diesel Hilux (Great Rig) and saw the Fitch advertised. I don't necessarily believe in testimonials from people I don't know however the Fitch people have sent me some results certified by a Melbourne laboratory..!

I am only passing on what was sent to me, here is some of it. (No testimonials!)

"Local Australian confirmation of the effectiveness of the Fitch fuel saving system was made at a government approved Melbourne emission and fuel consumption laboratory. In the Vipac Laboratory at Altona testing of the Fitch Fuel Catalyst system revealed reduced emissions and significant less fuel consumption when fitted to a mechanically sound engine operating over the approved driving cycle in without and with situations.
From the attached brief you will see that there is sound science behind the reported savings, along with product safety that makes the Fitch Fuel Catalyst a very sound investment."

Yours faithfully for happier, more cost effective motoring
M A K AGENCIES PTY LTD

Robert Knox

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Follow Up By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:42

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:42
Terra Firma,

Go into the fitch site , check out the so called independant report and you will see where Vipac acknkowledge their report was compiled from data supplied by Bill S. Vipac did not do the test themselves acording to their report. While your in their have a look at the teensy weeny words at the bottom of the home page that say Legal Disclaimer, click to open then read last sentence paragraph six. Fitch specifically make NO guarantees about the product.

Ian
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Reply By: Wombat - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:26

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:26
Apparently there has been independent testing done in Australia on the Fitch.
It makes for interesting reading.
And a word of friendly advise for Bill - I you're really serious about marketing this product mate, get yourself involved with someone who can provide you with a strategically based marketing campaign, as your constant rantings here are possibly doing your product a disservice.
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 13:01

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 13:01
The most influential factor in fuel economy and emmision in any car is how it is driven.

"The two tests were driven by Mr. Bill Sheather (Fitch Fuel Catalyst Australia Pty. Ltd.)"

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Follow Up By: Justin - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:20

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:20
Wombat

As Robak said, driving style can easily make a 10% difference to fuel economy and emmisions, even greater if the car happens to be a sports car! Having the promoter of the product drive the car during the testing, on city streets (with infinitiley variable conditions) is just down right poor (and dumb) scientific method. Who knows how many red lights he got on each run?

These tests really need to be done under the same conditions as they do the fuel economy ratings for new cars - which (or at least how they do it in the US...)(http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml) are not actually done on a 'real road' but a dyno of some sort that is able to closely simulate different driving conditions with a high degree of consistancy between runs. It's the consistancy between runs that is critical.

Anyway.

Personally I'm not too fussed, and would not buy the product because I don't think it works - but am I also happy to quietly ignore the promotion. To those of you who can't ignore the promotion and feel the need to rant and rave why don't you do some of your own scientific independant testing to prove your point - better than just complaining about it all day long. (I would love to see the results - as I am sure would Bill!). I am sure if we could get some hard scientific evidence that the promotion of the product is misleading we would then have a valid case to ask the Explor OZ team to remove the ad (bad for credibility).

Untill then, we should take this product at face value and buyer beware!

Justin.
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:37

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:37
I was aware that the driving for the test was done by an 'interested party' and realise that this could compromise the outcome, but I think it is unfair to denigrate Bill's attempt to make a living simply because of his clumsy marketing. Personally I don't care whether the product is capable of living up to Bill's claims, or not. Life is too short to spend it worrying about a small savings in fuel consumption. I also believe that the owners of this site do not have a moral obligation to evaluate or censor the type of advertisers who choose to spend their dollars here.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 13:31

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 13:31
Possibly the last word on Fuel Catalysts, I found this on the EV World Website. I think it says a reasonably modern day diesel engine does not require a fuel catalyst. Read on..


Roger Pham:
As for a Fuel Catalyst, why would anyone even want to waste money on a fuel catalyst when their modern computerized fuel injected engine burn its fuel with incredible efficiency? A catalyst is only needed to speed up a chemical reaction when the reaction happens too slowly by itself. With an incredibly rapid chemical reaction of fuel and air in the combustion chamber almost on the verge of an explosion, with high temperatures in the thousands of degrees, who would need a fuel catalyst, huh? Pray tell, Mr. Grau. Now, not to be confused with a fuel injector cleaner or an engine cleaner that would only make an engine with clogged up fuel injector or deposits in the combustion chamber runs smoother.
12/Oct/2005
[10184]


http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=905

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Follow Up By: gramps - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 13:52

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 13:52
" Possibly the last word on Fuel Catalysts "

We can only hope and pray :)
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:02

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:02
Why do I have a feeling it won't be the last word on fuel catalysts? I think I might go out and find myself a 10 litre monster truck with big fat wheels which I'll then drive around at redline and then come back here begging people for solutions to my horrendous fuel economy whilst adding 23 tonnes in $38,000 worth of accessories. Perhaps I need a fuel catalyst?
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Follow Up By: gramps - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:37

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:37
and a hiclone, and a Peter Brock whosawatchamagadget!
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Follow Up By: gramps - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:39

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:39
And you should'nt talk about Roachie's truck like that Wombat :)
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Follow Up By: OLDMAGPIE - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 16:33

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 16:33
you blokes are still feeding it
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, Oct 30, 2005 at 17:39

Sunday, Oct 30, 2005 at 17:39
Read the freaking fine print and Bills "why does no one ask for their money back "
Bebloody cause the "fine print" tells you that NO REFUNDS after 90 days ,, yet user insructions tell you that you can NOT expect any REAL or IMPLIED improvements until 100/120 days ,,,, bit like the blurbs for hiclone ect ect ect ,,, can any one prove that a hiclone does any thing , Swirl the air for beter consumption !!!!! Pigs rear end when it hits a turbo,,,, throw some magnets into your fuel tank {cost $2 at most news agencys } same as a fitch and at least no B/S claims.
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Follow Up By: Robert K (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:45

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:45
The Post of Ian W (NSW) (Follow-up:390536) needs some clarification as certain coments are inaccurate I am doing this because his remarks immediately follow the publication of a section of a covering letter that I forward out to those Victorians who enquire about the Fitch Fuel Catalyst (FFC). The extract represents about 1% of some very helpful info. The small pack of 18 pages if calmly considered would enable most readers and commentators on these Fuel discussion forums to act less emotionally negative towards B.S And also make fewer implied negative remarks about others involved in assisting towards clearer exhausts from the existing vehicle fleets along with other worthwhile benefits from modified fuels.
Firstly the nature of the claims made by FFC Australia on its website. To assist; here is a larger part of the quote from the website legal disclaimer "However, due to the various differences in engine configuration, fuel type and the way the engine is used, fuel saving, emission reduction and engine longevity figures stated in the site may not match the results achieved by you. The figures and data provided were achieved under certain conditions and you acknowledge that the performance of Fitch® Fuel Catalyst may differ significantly in other applications. Fitch® Fuel Catalyst Australia Pty. Ltd. makes no warranty, assurance or guarantee as to the extent of fuel savings and / or emission reductions in any use of Fitch® Fuel Catalyst."
You will note that in the critical section above the key words are "to the extent of". Reasons for this have been set forth earlier. As most reasonable people know there are a lot of variables when individuals try to evaluate what is the FFC doing. Hence the makers of FFC are regularly is involved with independent 3rd party labs for controlled testing of engine and fuel efficiencies in mechanically sound vehicles. .
These included in 2004 the testing on modern diesel truck engines involving the independent properly qualified testing companies of "Ocean Air Environmental LLC of California "&"Vehicle and Engine Emission Testing Services "of NY State. The outcomes,which can be viewed on various FFC websites are similar to what is being had with competently driven on road units.
It may be of considrable interest forreaders of this forum to read first hand what is on the bottom of the home page of the FFC site.re"The Fitch Fuel Catalyst Warranty".
An essential key point to understand what the FFC does? The FFC's laboraory tested claim is that it favourably changes the structure of certain parts of the fuel mix, for tank stored fuel without leaching or doing anything negative. As to how this improved fuel benefits the vehicle operator depends on factors out of control of the FFC since the FFC is not a mechanic in a can nor a driving instructor nor a properly qualified engine tuner.

Now to second matter commented on Ian W ( NSW). About who collected the data for the Vipac Report.
First who is Vipac ? Vicpac is a Melbourne based vehicle emission testing lab approved by the Commonwealth Department of Transport for vehicle compliance testing under the Australian Road Board documents 79,31,81.having approvals 9ARO.0125 and DOT.4009. The test engineer was a R Davies, who when interviewed by Ch9 confirmed his Surprise at the unexpected improvement and made no suggestion that the driving or the collection of exhaust samples had not been satisfactorily conducted under his supervision in the Vipac testing cell.The script of this Ch9 "Current Affair" of 16th October 02 can be seen on the FFC website.
It would help if the 1st 2 Paragraphs of the Vipac report are quoted since R.Davies authourised them;"The following report details the results achieved when a Toyota Landcruiser 80 vehicle was run through a single comparative test program utilising the Composite Urban Emission Drive Cycle (CUEDC) for category NA vehicles, by Vipac Engineers and Scientists Vehicle Emission Test facility at Altona T4009.The testing was carried out in accordance with the Composite Urban Emission Drive Cycle (CUEDC) drive cycle for NA class vehicles (vehicles with a GVM <4.5 tonnes). The CUEDC series of drive cycles were developed from data collected during actual driving conditions around Sydney, and take the form of a single drive-cycle (1794 seconds) broken up into four distinct phases; Congested, Residential / Minor, Arterial, Freeway / Highway. The two tests were driven by Mr. Bill Sheather (Fitch Fuel Catalyst Australia Pty. Ltd.), and were run using regular pump grade diesel fuel as agreed between Vipac Engineers and Scientists and the customer."
Further reading of the report details the equipment that the Vipac scientists used to collect the exhaust gas samples as Bill Sheather drove the Series 80 within strict requirements of the CUEDC drive cycle. This drive cycle does not allow for funny business being done in the lab as some have suggested. Prior to the 2 reported tests B.S was required to fully demonstrate his ability to drive the full CUEDC drive cycle consistently within accepted experimental tolerances, just like Vipac's especially approved test driver, who happened not to be available.
In some other future posts I will endeavour to address some other misconceptions that been aired on this current thread.
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Reply By: Austravel - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 16:18

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 16:18
Wow, the silence is deafening.
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Reply By: awill4x4 - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:17

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:17
Why doesn't "Robert K" declare his interest as:

VIC
DISTRIBUTOR

SCORESBY VIC 3173
Fitch® Fuel Catalyst (Victoria)
MAK Agencies Pty.Ltd. ( Robert Knox )
P.O.Box 578
Heathmont VIC 3135
Phone: 03 9778 5078
Fax: 03 9778 5080

Yet another Fitch salesman pushing his product behind a username without declaring an interest and with potential bias. This is exactly the same ploy originally made by Bill S, you think they would have learned by now.
Regards Andrew.
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Reply By: gramps - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:23

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:23
Ssshhhhhh or Oldmagpie will send us all to bed early :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:34

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:34
WellWell, there are none so BLIND as those who do not WANT to SEE
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:56

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:56
" WellWell, there are none so BLIND as those who do not WANT to SEE"

No Bill, perhaps some of us are sick of your "unsubstantiated" claims.
As for getting another Fitch distributor to claim the "Vipac" test was "above board" when in fact the whole test results were tainted when Fitch laid their hands on the car during a "supposed" independant test, well, that's just the icing on the cake.
We have on test ladies and gentlemen a Landcruiser of approx 300,000 kms in a state of tune we have no way knowing. The aforesaid vehicle is supplied by Fitch and the test is paid for by Fitch. The work done on the vehicle is also done by Fitch and then driven by a Fitch representative. We have no way of knowing if just the Fitch catalyst was installed or if other work was also done to "improve" emissions. We have to take Fitch at their word.
This Vipac test they love to quote has zero credibility.
Regards Andrew.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 10:28

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 10:28
Robert K called me yesterday following my questions on the Fitch and also with regards to some of my posts. (I am unsure as to how he obtained my mobile phone number??). Robert wanted to clarify some issues and comment on the inaccuracy of posts and comments contained in this section. To put this issue to bed somewhat I have advised Robert that he should concentrate on the reputability of the Fitch product by reputable and independent testing . I have no issue with being sent this sort of information.

If the Fitch product meets it claims then it should be proved beyond dispute and it seems they have not been able to do this successfully, certainly an on-going challenge. I would be happy to test the Fitch on my vehicle being a new one, which seems to be an issue , or the state of the engine and it's tune.

I don't believe Fitch have been attempting to sell their product via this forum, in all fairness simply defending their beliefs. Good healthy debate via these forums is an objective we should all aim for, it certainly is useful and hence my asking the question in the first place.
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Reply By: Robert K (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:33

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:33
For benefit of all visitors to Exploroz thread concerning the Fitch Fuel Catalyst (FFC) I have endeavored to draw their attention to some balanced info about a patented, EPA (USA) certified product that has being subject to what on some occasions is ill informed criticism. To do that and not have the facts confused into an argument about vested interest I chose to be seen as to be acting in an impartial matter so that the strength of the info I provided might on it own merit carry the case..
I endeavor to do my own research includingthat of looking into the degree of careful investigation that has been practiced by some of the critics of the FFC fuel improving systems and the reference sources they quote.
Under the name of awill4x4 there have appeared two postings over the last 6 months concerning the FFC. The first posting could likely be unintentionally misleading but nevertheless reveals a lack of the due carefulness that has again been seen when the same member recently criticized a top Australian government approved lab of being incompetent due what he jumps to conclusions as to poor quality practices in assessing the usefulness of the FCC. The second posting just referred to would seem to be ill considered .
The first posting of awill4x4 was on 8 July 05 as answer ID 374597 and the second appeared on 07 Nov 0 as answer ID 391974
The first posting contained references to a website belonging to an English Engineer (Tony), who at that time on 3 web-pages had made some general comments about fuel catalysts plus some practical suggests for evaluating them.
But what possibly was unknown to awill4x4 and Tony is that the makers of Fitch had already; as part of their own R&D program carried out similar suggestions on their own behalf and that the outcomes were available on the public record and also listed on the official FFC websites.
These generalized remarks in Tony’s supposed authoritative website that awill4x4 invited everyone to look at were misleading to say the least when applied to the FFC. I commented on them in a posting of the 16th Aug 05 in Answer ID 12535, (for finding ID12535 reference is made to Greenant and Bullwinkle in the 1st line.)
Turning to latest comments from awill4x4 that add up to discrediting both a proven practical product and the professional competency of a member of the highly qualified testing staff at a government approved vehicle emission and fuel consumption testing Laboratory in Melbourne.
awill4x4 makes 8 statements, that individually and/or collectively indicate a lack of care in reading both the Vipac report and/or of speaking to the staff of this DOT approved Company whose report and practices he, is so free to publicly down rating, and by implication suggesting their testing officer Mr R. Davies IEng, ,MIRTE, MSOE, LCGI has done an inferior job.
No individual system of testing is always perfect all the time, which is why tolerance ranges may be used with numerical averages. Hence when one seeks to invest in a quality product one needs to consider a range of independent performance indicators. Thus every viewer of this thread may be doing themselves a favour by looking up the website histories of the government and EPA (US) evaluations of the FFC. And if you are a real keen investigator and wish to save fuel read also one of the numerous US patents on the FFC.
The overall evidence will be that the significant fuel transformations from the use of the FFC found at the US Dept of Energy Testing Laboratory do lead to practical performance improvements in the great majority of mechanically sound engines including those of the 4x4 variety. Then you may say that the weight of evidence is for the US Navy having made the right decision to purchase over 3 US million dollars worth of FFCs. But then on the other hand you may prefer to offer advice to the various overseas EPAs that when they each certified the FFC fuel improvers they did so most likely on faulty information derived from incorrectly designed comparative tests since someone on one day in Australia considered that the Vipac in lab/wheel dyno testing of the FFC had in his opinion zero credibility. The reality is that there are today many 1000s of engines both in Oz and elsewhere from 0.5hp to 30,000hp operating more efficiently due the Vipac and other less disputed independent tests of the FFC.
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