wading croc rivers Cape York

Submitted: Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:44
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Before driving across rivers or creeks in Cape York it is recommended that you walk the crossing to check depth and river bed surface. (as per R&V Moon's Guide and others). These same texts/ books talk about being 'crocodile wise'. ie. staying out of the water and avoiding tempting fate . So where do the two 'rules' meet?

Is it generally safe to wade the rivers and creeks for this purpose? Or by late in the season have the local reptiles cottoned on to the habits of the uninitiated and in which case wading is not such a good idea?

Any rules of thumb people go by?

Cheers, PS Thanks to all those who replied to my questions regarding ice on Cape York.
David
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Reply By: fredd - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:51

Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:51
others will answer, but ive been there twice in last year. inland creeks on otl are safe, dont go in the sea, dont go in creeks in lakeland n p creeks in general are fairly shallow and easy to see the bottom

. also plenty of people about, so ask or copy those who know what its about
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Reply By: Member - Kimberly Kruiser (WA) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 01:21

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 01:21
David

I live in a crocodilian habitat.
There's one rule of thumb I go by. Don't go in the #loody water.
The croc you don't see will be the one that will do you damage. I nearly trod on one on a fishing trip one night after stepping over the sand bank to cast my cast net. A spot I had been at for 6 or 7 hours and the same spot I had thrown my net numerous times that night. At 3 metres, not a super jumbo but certainly big enough to sort me out if he wanted to.
I have seen salties in so called safe, croc free area's and have developed a healthy respect to what they can do to a 200kg cow, let alone a human.
Although credited with great intelligence I am yet to see a croc that can read the boundary signs as to where he should or shouldn't be.

Cheers
Wal.
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 02:56

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 02:56
Totally agree David,

Just of late there have been an increase of Croc attacks across the Top end of Aust. Having travelled up into these area's over the past 20years, the one thing I have noticed is the lack of fear that Crocs are starting to show towards humans. I believe the more they are in contact with humans and the more humans leave scraps, (fish carcasses etc) around the worse it will become. Of course now every year they get to see an ever increasing number of humans in THEIR habitat. So its not hard to do the maths. Of course some Crocs are even trained to approach boats for free feeds, but I'm not even going there with my views.

Glenn
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:53

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:53
Blaze,

I thought you always sent your wife to walk the river crossings first.
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Saturday, Oct 29, 2005 at 01:48

Saturday, Oct 29, 2005 at 01:48
Hey Des Lexic,

That would be rude, thats how crocs masturbate, you give them a YANK. :-)
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 06:14

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 06:14
David I walk the creeks a couple of times on the otl every season I dont walk the jardine.
I dont swim in the ocean.
I dont sit on the banks of creeks and rivers if I go fishing I cast then walk back a few metres.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:50

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:50
so Eric........................ Whaddaya think about the little creek crossings up there???.. Cockatoo, palm, sailor etc etc... nolans,,,...........
Ever been a sighting of a salty in these creeks.....???

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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Oct 29, 2005 at 07:44

Saturday, Oct 29, 2005 at 07:44
Voxson I personly have never seem any crocs in the winter months on the old track.
But have seen a few at running creek , janie creek , creek 1, letter box,
goose greek , chilli river and daintree river.

all the best
Eric
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Reply By: Well 55 - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:02

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:02
Depends which way you go and what tracks you use. You won't find to many creeks and rivers you need to walk first, except maybe the Pascoe and Nolan Brook, north of the falls on the OTL.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Oct 29, 2005 at 07:47

Saturday, Oct 29, 2005 at 07:47
I would dissagree with you I walk every crossing every year because I have no idea what has happened in the wet season.
Each year I see people that didnt walk a crossing that are drying out on the other side.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: Member - Trevor R (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 30, 2005 at 14:28

Sunday, Oct 30, 2005 at 14:28
I would agree with Eric on this one, as the winch was the saviour to someone sitting waist deep in a cruiser in the middle of a crossing they did not walk first. If they had they would have drove the same path my Pathfinder and trailer went without trouble. Even walking the crossing first will not neccessarily get you through safely, COMMON SENSE must prevail if you are not sure, especially up the cape.

Cheers Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 22:36

Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 22:36
I understand what you mean but I think I will just follow you Eric. I have had way to many croc encounters just around Port Douglas to risk walking the rivers on the cape. Still those were all in estuaries.

Changing topic slightly....

In the Burdekin, (much further south and where I spent my youth) a project I ws involved in in the eighties counted 110 crocs between Clare weir and Burdeking falls Dam. Hate to think how many there are now. I've had three close calls in that river, and don't go in the water at all now.

When I was a teenager (late 70's) I swam in the Burdekin all the time, even at night. No way in hell I would even get close to the water at night now.

Dave O
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:51

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:51
David,
Vic Widman, Great Divide Tours, has a way to cross the rivers on the Cape.

When you arrive at the river and there is a very good chance that there are crocs and you don't want to walk the river to check the depth, turn you vehicle around and back up until the back wheels are wet and then drive forward. This will leave wet wheel tracks. Park your vehicle on the bank of the river, have a cup of tea and wait.
When the next vehicle comes along, he will see your wet wheel tracks, you give him the thumbs up to say the river is alright to cross, and then you watch him go across. If the vehicle sinks to the roof you know that you did the right thing and waited.

Seriously if you are not sure about the river wait and see if someone else comes along who might be a local or has driven the river before and is willing to cross with out walking. It it just not worth it to walk a river up there.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:55

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:55
I know it was said tongue in cheek but it has happened to me a couple of times that while I was waiting and contemplating someone would come along and drive right on accross. Works for me!

People are impatient so I reckon it's not a bad strategy

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Oct 29, 2005 at 07:54

Saturday, Oct 29, 2005 at 07:54
Wayne I watched a very well known tour operater cross the pascoe on the frenchmans and they use follow the leader method 4wd 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 didnt quite see what the ones in front had done a bit like chinese wispers.
I was in the creek picking a path for our group and I ended up guiding them through.
Because as you know the pascoe can be very daunting to a novice 4wder.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 11:21

Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 11:21
G'day Eric,

Just as a matter of interest we have done the Pascoe twice and yes it was daunting. The last time with the trailer. In you opinion are there crocs there? Our party walked across, told them not to, but they did.

I stayed in the car.

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 16:35

Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 16:35
In my opinion they not in that part of pascoe but are more than likely in other parts of pascoe.

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: Member - Rene (QLD) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 09:14

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 09:14
Hi all
After reading I thought I better add a snippet, My wife three kids and I traveled to the cape 5 years ago, and did the telegraph track with 80 series and trailer, their was one crossing not sure the name of the river anymore, however spoke to a couple we thought were locals and had just come across, they told us the river we were about to cross was free of crocs, so I told the wife to walk across with the camera as you would, only just before she got to the other side a troopy arrived with a load off aboriginals and told her to get out of the water fast as it was full of crocs, (I tell you the almighty was not the only one to walk on water) considering the crossing was a good 50mts wide we were lucky, it just goes to show how careful you need be and not believe all you here, needless to say the wife never did any of the crossings herself for the rest of the trip. (missed out on some good pic's after that) on the advice from two people we thought we were OK by walking the crossing, it just goes to show!!
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:51

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:51
I guess you'll never know if the Aboriginals are still pi$$ing themselves laughing at how fast she moved........

Did you actually spot any crocs aftershe came out safely or were you bluffed? As you yourself say, don't believe everything you hear!

Seriously, though, I need to know how you convinced her to walk the river in the first place.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rene (QLD) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 13:54

Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 13:54
HI Gerhardp1

I did have a bit of a snigger when I saw her walking at an extremely fast pace on the other side, because at that stage I had no idea what she was told, however I suspected something was wrong,
The answer to your question, no never saw a croc the whole trip, except for the stuffed one we took photos of at the museum.
I had to do my own walking from then on, and the wife drove across,
As we never saw a croc all the way to this spot we generally both walked and checked it out, just this time it looked fine and the fact that the previous couple said their were no crocs she was fine, the only disappointment we (should say I had) was I didn't have a movie camera that year to show it off to friends ect.
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Reply By: ShnogDog - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:13

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:13
I would be very reluctant to go into the water. Chances are that if there were a croc in the water and you go in.. it will think about you the same way Merv Hughes might about a Lamb Sandwich if it turned up in his lounge whilst watching the Ashes at 2am. Even if it didnt drag you off, or it was relatively small, the kind of injuries that you might sustain could still be life threatening given how far you may be from help.

In PNG, we used to fish for Barra in the Bensbach River which has its share of big salties and the general rule was, if fishing from the bank, was to stay away from the edge and never go into the water. I'd stick to those rules here, there or anywhere there may be Crocs
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:54

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:54
Does it also depend on the Croc breeding season? If they are minding their egg lairs are they more likely to attack?

I remember we had geese in the paddock whne I was a kid, and they were safe to play with except when their gslings were hatched, and the parents turned into vicious defenders.
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Reply By: Member - Kimberly Kruiser (WA) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:50

Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:50
Basic "Flat Dog" behaviours;

Floating on top of the water with full body out of water and cruising the area you are in means nick off, this is my peice of river, waterhole, whatever.

Sunning himself/herself on bank. Not that worried about you or anything and soaking up some warmth.

Low in the water and generally cruising around on the look out for food.

Didn't see it coming, he/she had stalked you without your knowledge and has waited patiently for the most opportune time to launch a full attack. Not known to miss that often. The attack may be purely for food or a solid reminder to you that it is his patch of water and he wants you to definately leave.

Most importantly there are always exceptions to any rule.
They are wild animals, a totally refined and an "A" class killing machine and have exisited for so long purely for that reason. Take them lightly if you want, until one literaly bites you on the arse.
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Reply By: kimprado - Sunday, Oct 30, 2005 at 19:14

Sunday, Oct 30, 2005 at 19:14
Hi guys,

The only person who made any sense in this post is Kimberly Kruiser.

Regards Kim
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 19:49

Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 19:49
Could not agree more.

Are [most of] the rest of you people totally stupid or just doing an excellent impersonation of it?

Mike Harding
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