Primus portable hot shower
Submitted: Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:34
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david mc
Hi guys,
Am considering buying a Primus Portable hot shower. The unit that connects to a gas bottle. Has anyone got one? and how do they work? Any responses appreciated.
Regards
David Mc
Reply By: flappa - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:53
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:53
This has been done a few times and a search should show a number of threads.
Personally , I think the Coleman is a better hotwater system.
I know a few people that had reliability issues with the Primus. Nothing with the Coleman.
I use a vehicle based system myself , but I'm looking at a Coleman unit for a CT based hotwater system (not really the shower).
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Follow Up By: ev700 - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:59
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:59
flappa
Is there anything between the two main brands of in car heater?
thanks
EV700
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Follow Up By: flappa - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 11:14
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 11:14
Oooh , thats like the Yota V Nissan debate . . . lol.
Probably 2 fifths of stuff all at the end of the day.
Personally , I like the glind (even though I have a Piranha one currently) , there are a few reasons , with the main 2 being , I prefer the moulded plastic over metal , and Glind are the only ones to Use Marine Grade pumps and not RV grade (salt
water can be used).
I have quite a few mates running Twine though with no reported problems. The main reason was though , they wanted them fitted to a Pathfinder , which is what Twine had it on. Made fitting it a breeze.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 11:47
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 11:47
Just to follow up, I have had primus stoves and primus gas torches and they have always given me grief because those darn jets always seem to get blocked at the most inopportune time. Hate for that to happen when showering!
Kind regards
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Reply By: vitara - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 13:02
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 13:02
Had the primus one for about 2 years now not a problem. Looked at the coleman didn't have as good shower rose as the primus. Down fall with the primus have to have gas bottle with it, where as the coleman you can run off a butane bottle, also you can have a coffee/tea direct from the coleman where as you can't with the primus, but I chose the primus as I always have the gas bottles any way and it has less electronic stuff than the coleman so less to go wrong. Coleman's a bit higher but is not as wide as the primus. No doubt which ever one you use both will do the job required. Just personal choice. Most of my other stuff, cooktop, etc is primus which is about ten years old now and no problems no blocked jets etc. You can get them on special every now and then. Kmart even sell the coleman one now as
well. Regards Vitara
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Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 13:12
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 13:12
We had a look at both before buying. A friend of ours has the Primus and he hasn't had great luck with it. As a shower...
well... it's a shower. It's no good for anything else.
We went with the Coleman Hot
Water on Demand system. We replaced the shower head with a proper on designed for
water saving - it works very
well - much better than the one that it came with. We also have the 9kg bottle hose, so that we can run EITHER the 1kg screw-in bottle or a big tank for prolonged stays. We also have the tap-pressure adapter which allows you to plug the unit straight in to a tap at whatever pressure it is, and temper that pressure to 4psi out of the unit. This, along with the 9kg hose lets you run it all day if you want.
Top it all off with the fact that the Coleman is great for washing up and making a coffee of twenty - all day long. We love it..... :)
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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 14:40
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 14:40
I originally bought a Primus, found it to be very fiddly to operate, now have the Coleman & love it, don't need a gas bottle, (can if you like though) & don't need to plug it into the vehicle, as it is fully self contained. (rechargeable)
We get around 10 - 12 showers per cylinder as
well as general hot
water.
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Follow Up By: david mc - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 14:45
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 14:45
Thanks for the input to those who replied. May have muddied the waters a little, and sounds like the primus is a bit fiddly, but probably will give it a go anyways, as we have 4 kids, and might be a tad better for the bigger family.
Much appreciated
David Mc
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Follow Up By: flappa - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 14:51
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 14:51
Honestly , I would give the Coleman more thought.
Main reason is , those pumps the Primus use , REALLY dont like hot
water much. I had one for our family (2A, 4C) , and found we struggled bigtime with the pump trying to shower that many.
I ended up ditching it , and going for a Flojet Pump , but , the pump on the Coleman (while not a flowjet obvioulsy), IS better then the Primus ones. Same as the
Orange DSE/
Camping Store Ones.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 14:53
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 14:53
LOL!!
hehe... ;) Practically everyone indicated that the Coleman is a better unit in most respects, but you're still going for the Primus. Given the bigger family - I'd still go for the Coleman - your dish washer will love you for it.
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Follow Up By: david mc - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:01
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:01
OK Ok, I get the message,
Will have to put some more thought into it. At the moment Aussie Disposals have the Primus on special for $270, which is very tempting.
Coleman and others are around the $370 - $400 mark.
Cheers
David Mc
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:04
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:04
There may be a reason that the Primus is on sale........ I'm not sure that they were ever approved by the local gas appliance authorities....... but I may be entirely wrong.....
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:05
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:05
Also my neighbour had one of these and we simply couldn't use it because the
water was too
dam hot, tried everything without luck. Seemed that the
water temp at the start makes a big difference - our
water was a little warm not like the stuff in the southern states.
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Follow Up By: flappa - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:07
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:07
Lol . . . nah mate , no message . . its an individuals right to choose ;)
You might find you buy the Primus and have no problems in any way shape or form , and works perfectly for you . . . or . . .
You might buy it and go . . . ah crap.
Just to confuse you more . . .
For your size family , forget these showers , and get a vehicle kit fitted for about $450 + fitting.
Leaves these others for dead IMO ;)
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Follow Up By: flappa - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:07
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:07
Chrispy , I have been told recently they ARE now approved complete with approval sticker.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:08
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:08
Which unit?
Our Coleman gives us luke-warm to lose-your-skin hot and everything in-between. Of course, to get it THAT hot, you have to actually hold the control knob IN while you stand there - so it's still very safe.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:11
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:11
The primus, ended up getting cooled
water to heat, also tried to introduce anothet pump to mix more cold
water. Too much hassle in the end.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:12
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:12
Flappa - good to hear they are finally approved. I couldn't believe that a company as
well known as Primus was shifting goods without them being approved for use.
Also - I have a Glind in-car system. Great on our old petrol Patrol - dunno about the new diesel. The diesel doesn't get hot enough to run the shower. I may have some other issues like a frozen viscous coupling and radiator core to attent to before it works
well enough. It's only money :(
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Follow Up By: david mc - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:17
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:17
chrispy and flappa,
Thats my concern with an incar system. We run a GU Diesel, Does it restrict you to only having a shower after running the vehicle for a considerable time? i.e. how hot on the temp guage does the car have to be to heat the
water through the exchanger. I am imagining you can only have night showers and not morning.
Cheers
David Mc
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Follow Up By: flappa - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:21
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:21
It will work after only 5 or 10 minutes.
I have heard of issues with heating in diesels but , thats where my system may work better (but mines in a petrol).
Put a mixer into the line , so you can have your heater flat out , cool it with the cold
water line , rather then trying to adjust the temp by heater only.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:22
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:22
Yes David - that was my main problem with in-car. I had to run my GQ until it was at pretty-much full operating temp before the shower was efficient - and HOT. Once running, you had to keep it going until you were done - otherwise the constant flow of cold
water into the exchanger cooled the exchanger too quickly to continue showering for long. The other problem is the exhaust wafting through the
campsite - other people just LUUURVE breathing diesel fumes.... :)
With the remote units, although you have to carry them (ours is in the Coleman HWOD bag - which also carries all the accessories) they are able to be fired up and ready to go in mere seconds of plonking them on the
table and providing a
water source.
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Follow Up By: flappa - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:33
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 15:33
Yeah look , these units certainly do have a place , no question , and as I have said , I'm looking at one as a hotwater system for my CT (rather then the actual shower).
With everything going properly , you just cant beat the vehicle showers , but , for outright convenience , these units probably win.
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Reply By: Peter McGuckian (Member) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 16:22
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 16:22
Just to add to the debate. We have the Coleman - very happy. Great bit of gear.
Peter
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Reply By: fatz - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 17:06
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 17:06
Just to add some more food for thought, I camped with a gentleman (i'm sure he'll post later) at the weekend who has been searching for a while for a hot
water unit. I suggested a while back that he look for domestic constant hot
water service that is gas only. He turned up on the weekend with a unit that is about the same size as the primus unit fitted to his camper trailer and running off a 9kg bottle. 300 literes an hour if you want it, and constant tempature, cant ask for more than that.
mick
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Follow Up By: david mc - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 17:17
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 17:17
G'day Mick,
When you say a "domestic constant hot
water service", do you know what brand etc and where he got it from?
Cheers
David Mc
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Reply By: fatz - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 17:32
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 17:32
Not sure but i'll ask him later and let you know.
Mick
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Reply By: fox - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 17:42
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 17:42
Well here's our 2 cents worth.... A couple of friends went away
camping with a group of their friends and rellies and when set up our mates produced their Coleman
water heater/shower...2 others in the group both pulled out their Primus jobbies and told him how much money they had saved.
2 days later, both the Primus rigs had chucked it in and our mates Coleman proceeded to do all the 17 showers every night from then on for the next 10 days.
So...how much money did they save??? Irrelevant methinks....
Get a Coleman
Happy
Camping.
Rick & Julie
P.S. Only one week to go before we pick up our new
Kimberley Kamper...Yip Yah..
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Reply By: Steve - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 19:45
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 19:45
give me a Cruiser over a Patrol any day. hehehe
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 20:47
Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 20:47
Hi Steve, It's not nice to take the micky out of Cruiser owners!!! By the way, how's the new Patrol going?!!!!
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Follow Up By: Steve - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 07:51
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 07:51
What? Patrol? Me? Never ever;-)
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Reply By: ozdragon - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 03:20
Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 03:20
Hi David Mc
The other thing no one has mentioned is that the Coleman has a 10yr warranty..definately worth paying the extra. Our
camping store used to sell both units. They gave primus the flick due to the high return rate.
Peter
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Follow Up By: flappa - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:17
Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:17
I didn't know it did , not a bad backup.
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Reply By: dags666 - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 16:55
Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 16:55
being a plumber over the years of
camping from rubbish
bins with coils that lay in a fire to hot water bags that you lay in the sun to 4 wdrive under bonnet .i have seen the primus hws and had a chat to other plumbers and campers if you like it
well each to his own but most of us rate out of ten 3 . the coleman seems to be a bit more popular with campers who are looking for a cheap means of hot water personaly i use and old valliant instantanious gas hws, rihan and there are a few other brands out there bosh is another one and camec also stocks a few different brands. the
water supply in is with a flow jet 12 volt flowjet pump most these hws only need approx 22 litres per minute some less when beach
camping we use a spear to pull up the water as we just purchased a camper trailer i will put a hws in it with a flow jet pump that will pull the water out of the storage tank or run it of mains pressure or off the spear. every one has different needs and budgets put if you serious about
camping and go for long holidays as we do its the only way to go . so i sugest you go down to the local and make friends with a plumber or someone who is handy dags
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Reply By: kimprado - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 18:08
Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 18:08
Hi David,
This is slightly off the point, but have you given consideration as to where and how often you will use the shower.
If you intend to draw water from creeks or lakes in say, 20-25litre water containers, be aware that your shower may need to be very short. Most good showers have adjustable delivery. However, they will empty a 25litre container very quickly.
The other alternative of course is to place a hose in the river/
lake. Couple of issues here.
1. the ability of the unit to pump water to your shower location (length and height) from the river.
2. Have a think about where you have set up
camp over the last couple of years and ask yourself if the unit could pump the water that distance and height. If you choose this method, then you will need to fit a non return valve to the hose and a good filter.
I have a Glind unit fitted in the engine bay of my 4WD and am very happy with it. However, finding suitable
camping locations to use it where I travel can be problematic due to the bank depth of rivers.
As I previously mentioned. If you have a family of say, three kids, it will certainley
test your water carrying capabilities if you rely on containers.
Hope this helps
Regards
Kim
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Follow Up By: david mc - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:50
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:50
Guys,
Thanks to all for their valuable input. I certainly opened a bit of a Pandora's box, with the many differing and varied opinions, however that is the value of this
forum, to find out from people who have actually experienced the issues involved.
I for one will join today as a member.
Thanks again
David Mc
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