Land rover Defender

Submitted: Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 22:33
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Hi Fellas New To This Old Fart .Purchased 1996 defender 18Mths Ago
Big shock To System At First Lots Of Silly Mechcanical Faults.
Water Pumps Every Three Months
Belt Tentiona
Rear Axle Drive Hubs
Oil Leaks Rear Pinion Seal
Leaks All Over Motor
This Vechicle Done Only 100000km

Ok My Opinion Of the Great British Marque
Brilliant Off Roader Great Work Horse
Learn All Their Weakness
Fix With Genuine Modifided Parts And This Vechicle Will Be Your Best Mate
Any One Out There With Same Thoughts?
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Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 23:13

Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 23:13
Yes, you are probably right, most Land/Range Rover owners forgive their shortcomings in regard to electrical problems, oil leaks etc, as their off road performance is very good. BUT, you won't get much response here as most are Jap 4x4 owners & if it isn't Toyota or Nissan, they aren't too interested.
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Reply By: Billowaggi - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 23:20

Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 23:20
That is pretty much the way they are, one of my customers has one and it has had all the above prob's It has now done about 350,000klm and has never actually left him stranded and the oil leaks have never got any worse, he is quite happy with his vehicle.
Regards Ken.
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Reply By: Footloose - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 08:24

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 08:24
The Defenders have an awesome reputation in the bush. Unfortunately their oily bits have a somewhat different reputation.
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Reply By: Redback - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 08:41

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 08:41
Yep ya either love em or hate em, either way there's no disputing there offroad capability, try this place for some "thoughts" AULRO

It's a Landy forum

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Member - RockyOne - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 10:28

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 10:28
Yeah! I'm always a little jealous of Rosco with his Defener..(We drove Landrovers of various configs in my six years army,did some wicked things with them (accidently,of course) and never had one let me down..Even drove them from Innisfail to Mt Isa,on the dirt roads,some of the time..Depended who was looking..Radio is a wonderful thing,jus make sure you're not on the good Captain's frequency..The fun one was the SWB gun vehicle.A cut down 4-cyl SWB Landie. I was a 106mm recoiless "rifle gunner..Magic .5 Springfield semi auto on top..Fired that till target hit,white phosphurus puff,then fire the big one..As four fifths of the blase exited the vents in the breech block,on our first test,it blew all the metal around the mudguards away..4/5 out rear & 1/5 out muzzle + "re-coiless".That's why later gun rigs had cut away guards.Sporty. Course,firing the 20 pounder & .30 Browning machine gun in the Centurion was a "gas".They paid us to do that..I would have paid them to do it..(If I had a dollar,that is)..I miss my sniffs of cordite..Reminds me of when I was on leave from Vict to Qld,I bought four cans of,wait for it,"Picnic Point Mountain Air" from Toowoomba..We all got around in a huddle in the barracks,Puckapunyal,opened the cans and breathed it in.."You're jokin'! you ask :-)!MPG:6!
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Follow Up By: Member - ROTORD - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 13:27

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 13:27
Which brings up just how hard the Army pushed their vehicles . Civilian cross country usually means select the best line of approach and adjust speed for comfort . Army cross country often meant select the line of approach dictated by the tactical situation and go flat out regardless of any consideration for comfort or vehicle damage . For the Landrover with a 106mm recoiless this meant they could ambush a Centurian tank and then outrun its 22.5mph mates . Big shock was to find that a 35mph Leopard could catch the Landrover . The one thing that would break on the Landrover was the axle . This was considered a good point because it protected the rest of the power train . Every Landrover carried spare axles and they could be replaced quickly .
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Follow Up By: ev700 - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 14:16

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 14:16
7.62mm is even faster and the Leopard has a couple to deliver a good spray
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Reply By: Sky Pilot - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 14:36

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 14:36
My 300,000km plus Range Rover had such bad oil leaks that the Land Rover dealer got to the stage of not giving me a pink slip until I'd had it steam cleaned underneath. He didn't want to lose his license to do the pink slips. He also knew that it'd cost a fortune to fix all the leaks and 3 months later they'd all be leaking again. Good to run across a realist every now and again.
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Reply By: snailbait (Blue mntns) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:13

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:13
hi axle
you are talking about LAND ROVERS FROM THE LAST CENTURE my 2001 Defender has done 75000 k s and with proper servicing has no leakes has been up graded to 123 kw with the TD5 Engine and now uses 10.7 ltr per 100 ks on stocktane beach does 13.5 ltr per 100 ks dont talk about 10 year old vehicles TOYS / Nissan 10 year old do the same as old land rovers as well as jeeps and all old vehiclees they are worn out get real
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Follow Up By: Billowaggi - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 12:00

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 12:00
Our 1994 Landcruiser 80 series 290,000km is completely dry , actually it has never had an oil leak! Regards Ken.
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 15:18

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 15:18
Snailbait,
You landrovians wonder why tojo/nissan owners insist on putting crap on your chosen vehicle? Why pretend?

I was looking at a defender at one stage, got sick of looking at thrashed and rusted troopies. Rang a rover specialist to ask about inherent problems, said I'd heard they have problems with oil leaks etc. They guy wet himself, "if its got no oil leaks then its not a landrover!"

I think the next generation of land rovers will be a totally different story ie-D3. Look forward to seeing the new Defender now they actually seem to have some kind of focus on quality contral. Probably be an all independent trendite poser car but might surprise. Will take a long time before people like me trust the name after all the problems they've given in the past.

Matt
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 17:38

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 17:38
you must have got the only good one they made hang on to it its a collectors item
seriously mate had an 01 td5 the dealer had it more than i did other than oil leaks ,refusing to start and having to wear gumboots if it rained it wasn't too bad don't know why i bought a Nissan instead.
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Follow Up By: Member - Landie - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 06:21

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 06:21
There must be two, I've got a 2001 TD5 and no real problems to speak of, certainly little in the way of oil leaks..............
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 19:46

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 19:46
Snailbait & Landie
sorry to sound so negative but I had such a bad trot with the one I had it was second hand and cheap ( now i know why ) after purchase i discovered it had a history of problems which the dealer knew of but failed to fix for the previous owner after 3 mths he offered to take it back as trade on nissan have not looked back-still have the nissan maybe i had the dud, but i would not have another one
regards Kev
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Reply By: Alan H - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 14:13

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 14:13
I've got a 2003 Defender 110 Td5 and it's got just one tiny leak from the rocker cover which according to the dealer will be fixed on the next service.
That's if I ever take it back to them that is!

And I've got a mate with an 80 series Tojo which is so oily under the bonnet and right along underneath that if you get anywhere near it you get oil all over you!
You want to see the mess where he parks at work.

The Landie has never missed beat since I've had it except for "failing to proceed" because of a wiring stuff up of the Smart Solenoid (by a well known 4 x4 retailer) which was supposed to protect the starting battery and didn't! Rescued by a Tojo but I didn't complain about that.

The cook likes it as well and anything that keeps her happy and leaving me alone, I'm happy with.

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Reply By: Axle - Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:57

Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:57
Hi Axle again. Thanks for all replys mixed bunch eh.
Defenders had gear box and transfer box problems mid 1990 Any one know which year month they modified this .Did they have a couple of goes at this . Mine has green markings on rear of transfer case. What the hell does that mean .Get the gun out or what
Regards Axle
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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 21:49

Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 21:49
Hi Axle,

Regarding 'gearbox and transfer box problems' -well, as far as I know it's not too serious.

All the 'nineties' LRs use the LT230 transfer box which is pretty damn good. The early 90s Defenders & Discoveries had the 200Tdi engine and LT77 gearbox (reverse fully left and forward) which was, again, not too bad.

Around '95 they brought out the 300Tdi engine and the R380 gearbox (reverse fully right and rearward). Both good units but the early R380 'box's had a problem with lubrication of the mainshaft gear in the transfer case. It could run dry and wear the splines prematurely. This was fixed with a modification fairly early on and, if your serial number on the right-hand side of the transfer box ends with an "F" or later letter, then it's OK. Even if it's an earlier letter suffix, it may have been rectified under warranty.

Apart from this glitch when they changes 'boxes, they are pretty bullet-proof.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 22:14

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 22:14
Hi Ian
Thanks for reply .You are right done more research

since Have put the gun back in shed. HA HA.

Landies are good but theirs a lot to learn.

Another question run off problems 300tdi timing belt did modification kit fix this problem .
Mine has been done seems ok done about 30000km since
Also any one know who sells Tachos to suit Defenders
Regards Axle


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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 23:06

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 23:06
There was a problem with the timing belt mechanism in the early 300Tdi engines. Well, not so much the timing belt itself, but the injection pump mounting bracket which, it assembled wrongly at the factory, would stress the timing case and cause mis-alignment of the pulleys and idlers, causing the belt to run off the front of the pulleys and rub against the case - and eventually break...

Depending on the build date of the vehicle (VIN number), there were two rectification kits produced. [If you wish to send me your VIN (click on my Thermoguard logo to get to my email link), I can let you have the VIN ranges concerned.]

The No.1 kit was quite extensive (and expensive!) and included a complete new timing case, injection pump bracket, new crank pulley, tensioner, idler and timing belt. The No.2 kit (for later VIN nos. which presumably already had the modified pump bracket) had 'only' the new crank puley (with flanges either side of the toothed pulley), plus new tensioner, idler and belt.

As far as I know, there are no ongoing problems with engines with the correct kit fitted [ours has done another 110,000 km and another replacement belt - the old one showed no 'odd' wear, since being 'kitted']. BUT, if an early engine had belt problems and was NOT fitted with the No.1 kit , it would continue to wear belts prematurely. The LR Technical Bulletin says the new timing case should be marked with a 1cm square of yellow paint near the injection pump - but I've never seen one so marked, even though I know the No.1 kit has been fitted.

So, if you happened to have one of the early engines which had a problem (and not all did - it depended on 'luck of the draw' on the assemly line, AFAIK) AND it's had the correct kit fitted, it should be quite OK.

Now, just in case the large and vocal anti-Land Rover faction out there is about to start frothing at the mouth about 'unreliable Land Rovers' again, I would point out: All the information about these problems (including the official factory technical bulletins) is readily available on the web - is this the case with similar problems with Toyotas (for example: 100Series IFS diff failures) and Nissans (Patrol ZD30 engine failures)?
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 23:14

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 23:14
Sorry, forgot to mention, VDO make diesel tachos that will work from the Defender's alternator pick-up. 'Speco' also make a good range of instruments as well, but I don't know if they do a diesel tacho.

I have a circuit design that will allow a 'normal' spark-ignition tacho work from a diesel alternator or crankshaft pick-up but it costs about $100 to build, so it's not economical unless you already have a good tacho you wish to adapt.
Ian
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Reply By: Axle - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 17:41

Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 17:41
Thanks Ian for the info. As i said from the start once you know where you are with them you can build them up to be a great machine.
And then reliabilty is not a problem. NOT that they are unreliable as some make out and the big factor is which I noticed no one has mentioned is the price of parts. Try buying a water pump for a Jap Rig. Or anything else as far as that goes.
Regards Axle

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