85ltr evakool icebox tips please

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:20
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Do i leave the ice water in .
Do i empty it out .
How many bags of ice do you buy .
How long does the ice last .
Do you leave the box uncovered .
Do you cover it up .
etc etc etc .
Thanks.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:49

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:49
water increases the melting rate of the ice....ice without water will last longer

try to make your own.....bought ice is not as cold as the stuff you can make your self ...

How much...as much as you can fit......
how long does it last? are you going to the equater or south pole? its a bit like how long is a piece of string isnt it?

the more protection you give the ice box the longer the ice will last...
only put in what you need to keep cold and only for immmediate requirements...but this depends on how much ice you have to serve out the time you be needing it....its trial and error to suit your needs
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 13:33

Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 13:33
Just to solve one of the problems: "How long is a piece of string?"

Almost always, twice half it's length! ;-)
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Reply By: porl - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:59

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:59
and be careful, i have accidentally frozen beers left overnight in an evacool esky filled with frozen 2L milk containers during a brisbane summer (read 30C at night). Stange and hard to believe but that's an evacool.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:28

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:28
yep...done with a standard coleman 90l esky also
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:00

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:00
Don't use hollow "party ice", it's made to melt & cool drinks quickly.
I fill a "kitty litter" tray with water & freeze it, then put it in the bottom, then after stacking drinks etc, put home made ice blocks over the top. Works well for me!
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Follow Up By: flappa - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:07

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:07
Quote: I fill a "kitty litter" tray with water & freeze it

GEEZ , I hope you clean it well ;)

Never thought of that
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:48

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:48
Ha ha ..... was a new one!
But it works really well
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Reply By: flappa - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:06

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:06
Leave the water in.

You need to cool the space , thats why you fill it as much as you can.

If you drain the water (cold water) , it requires the ice to be used quicker to cool the air that is now in that space.

OK , so I dont honestly know , but , the above has been told to me on a few occasions. Is it correct ? , dont know , DOES make sense though.

I however , DRAIN the water , more because I hate having water in the bottom of my food icebox. Beer icebox , I leave it in , for the above reason.

I make up my own ice as much as possible. Either by, freezing icecream containers as block ice , or Milk/Cordial bottles as ice bricks (also used as fresh colder water supply as they melt).

I can get party ice to stay in my Waeco Icebox , for about 3 days max , the block ice for about a week (depending on certain conditions).

In the shade and cover as much as possible. Open as little as possible.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:34

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:34
no...let water out...
water conducts heat a lot better than air......
water left in will definitely get your refreshments colder quicker, but also allows the ice to melt quicker as its conducting the heat absorbed thru the liner and from the product to the ice.

so if your intention is to have ice for as long as possible let the water out...if you want cold beers leave it in

the more ice you can carry the longer it will last, under either of the scenarios above
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:52

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 16:52
Just half drain it

Thats a compromise ;-)))

Baz.
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Follow Up By: MikeyS - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 18:27

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 18:27
Nup, I disagree. Leave the water in, at least until your butter starts to float and your cheese goes soggy. Nudenut, I think you are right in saying that leaving the water in will make the ice melt faster, BUT, the presence or absence of ice doesn't necessarily mean that the the cooling effect will be better.
Look at it this way. As long as the water is still colder than the temperature you want the cooler to be, say about 4 degrees, then it will still have the capacity to absorb heat. You want to maintain the greatest thermal mass as possible in the cooler so ice and cold water absorbs as much heat as possible, rather than your food. (we are talking food here aren't we?). If you put three coolers in an air temperature of 25 degrees, one had 10kg of ice, one had 5kg ice and 5kg of water, and the third had just air, the third would heat to 25 C first as air takes relatively little heat to raise the temperature of air 1 degree, the water ice combo would be next as it takes much more energy to heat the ice, water and air 1 degree, and the ice only cooler would take the longest, because ice requires heat to raise its temperature to zero degrees, latent heat to actually melt the ice to water, and further heat to raise the temperature of the water to 25 C. If you took all the water out of the 5kg ice cooler, I think you would find that it would heat up quicker than if the water was still left in it. The water will also act as a better convective heat transfer medium for things sitting in the water than air will, so it will cool things down faster if they are sitting in the water.
Hmm, all this thinking is making my head too hot. I think I need to stick it in an esky full of ice, and water, or no water....too hard.
MikeyS
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 17:03

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 17:03
I used to use a homemade icebox with 3" walls back in the days of block ice.

We used the principle that air must be limited so at times empty containers were put in the box to minimise air.

Some folks used to get pellets of dry ice and put this under the wet ice but I don't know if you can get dry ice easy these days or not. Can't put food on dry ice as it is too cold. Can't seal the box either as the dry ice has to escape (well the CO2 does) as it melts.

I still believe minimise air capacity and removing melt water will help. The cooler the outside is kept the less work has to be done by the insulation. When leaving home fill it up with cold items - it will keep items cold easier than cooling them.

Just some thoughts
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 17:11

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 17:11
Cannot get block ice where i live but plenty at rainbow beach etc.
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 19:01

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 19:01
"Fibreglass ice boxes wont absorb heat thru the walls . Heat only enters the ice box when you open the lid ". Is this true ?
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 21:17

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 21:17
nope ...you have been told lies!!!! heat will transfer every thing...including a absolute true vacuum.....it just take longer on some materials.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 21:18

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 21:18
or in the case of a vacuum...the lack of it?
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Reply By: scottp - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 22:00

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 22:00
I live on the sunshine coast.

Six years ago I was in melbourne, and ended up at the caravan and camping expo at geoffs shed.

Run in to a bloke flogging evacools (Top Quality,Not seconds) that are made in caloundra (sunny coast) and sold me one $100 cheaper than I could buy it for at home.

WHAT THA !!!!!!!

Bought the E85 model.

Best esky you will ever buy!!! (imho)

Made my own ice, as said above, but never let the ice sit in the melted water.

Got an old plastic coted fridge shelf, cut one of the wires at each end and shaped each end leaving four of the wire still welded to the frame. With a pair of pliers curved each piece down and around to make four feet about two inches tall. put the shelf in the bottom of the esky and sit the ice on it. drain the water before it hits the ice.

works a treat!!

scott
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Reply By: tonysmc - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 22:01

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 22:01
Sorry NudeNut, but I say leave the water in. I live in the tropics (NT) and stay away for 7 days and leave the water in and still have ice when I get home. I only use solid blocks of home made ice and cool (COLD)everything before putting in the esky. I try to keep it covered and try to keep the sun off as much as possible, ie swag or wet towel over the top(I'm in a boat by the way) The way I look at it the water around the ice will remain cooler than air. I will also make stews, curries and pre cooked meals that can be frozen. The more frozen stuff in the esky, the longer the ice will last. I kyrovac any meat I have so if it does end up floating it is still OK. I also use a small "day" esky, so each morning just take out what you need for that day and put it into the your little esky. The trick is not too keep opening the esky.
Maybe ask Dr Karl or an easy experiment is for you Glenno, or surely someone in here must have 2 identical eskies, could put the same amount of ice in each, drain open on one and drain shut in the other and tell us for certain which lasts longest.
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Follow Up By: Tony Shaw - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 23:25

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 23:25
Hi guys,

I work in a camping store so guess what i'm going to do tomorrow.

I'll test it out with two identical eskies and let you know in a day or two.

Cheers, ToNy!

P.S. I'm betting on leave the water in.
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Follow Up By: MikeyS - Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 08:28

Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 08:28
Tony
I suggest that you suspend a thermometer sensor in the middle of the airspace in each cooler, and log the temperature changes of both. After all, the aim of the cooler is the provide a cold air environment to keep stuff cool. Even if the ice melts faster in one, it's the temperature of the air that really matters.
You'll have to write up the results and publish in New 4x4 Scientist.
MikeyS
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 02:46

Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 02:46
sorry guys this has been brought up a few times on dr karl, and there is yet to be a definitive answer, me - i leave the water in, i figure the cold water is a thermal mass and still has latent heat to absorb - But i'm happy to stand corrected :-)

And dry ice is readily available from boc , supergas etc.
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Reply By: Big Woody - Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:34

Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:34
Even the Evakool website says to leave the water in.

It makes sense. The water surrounding the ice is cooler than the air that would be surrounding the ice after you drain it. With warmer air around it it will melt quicker.

Cheers,
Brett
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 06, 2005 at 00:16

Tuesday, Dec 06, 2005 at 00:16
nudenut says -> "no, let water out, water conducts heat a lot better than air…."

Like Brett, I also think nudenut's wrong, and for the same reason, because the major temperature source in the Esky is obviously BLOCK ICE sitting in cold water – not heat, maybe that’s also the reason why EvaKool say leave the water in, I would think they would have done some temperature testing, or are they wrong also ?

Try and use BLOCK ice, not ice blocks.
I used an EvaKool esky for 3 weeks in the Kimberley’s and two blocks of ice lasted for 4 days with a fair bit of opening, so with carefull use you may get 5 days, ice is a long drive to get there as everywhere is hundreds of Klms away from the best places to camp or fish.

But the Barra gets spoilt when it floats in the water with the local fruit, could be a real salmonella risk ?
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Reply By: mattlobie - Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 14:29

Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 14:29
If you have to buy ice, always get solid block ice for the bottom of the esky. Make sure it's not just party ice compressed into a block, too.

I always put a couple of solid ice slabs on the bottom, then stick my beer/food/drinks in and cover with party ice.

As for the waiter in/out debate. I leave it in for drinks as I believe it stays colder but drain it with food, because it always gets soggy.

matt
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