UHT milk and use by dates
Submitted: Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:24
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geocacher (djcache)
Hi all,
Got back from our last trip and had about 24 litres of milk left over after the kids decided they didn't like it.
It expired in mid October. Just wondering what the tolerance is on that stuff.
Can anyone tell me? It seems a shame to chuck nearly $50 worth of milk if it's still going to be alright for a while and we adults may be able to gradually use some of it.
Dave
Reply By: Trev88 - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:41
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:41
Hi Geo
Long life milk is fine past the use by provided it is kept in ideal conditions 5 to 18 C. If the cartons have any bulging and the carton is taught then the milk has bacteria growing in side.
Basic rule is it tastes fine then it should be ok. If it is turning it will tast sweeter than normal. UHT milk means untra high temp treated killing all bacteria what they for get is it goes into a none sterile carton.
You will find it will sour within a day if it is realy past it's use by (that sounds like me)
give it a go if we dont hear from you then we know my advise was as off as the milk.
TM2CW
Trevor
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 15:18
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 15:18
just as long as he doesnt throw up in the 4by
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:41
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:41
Are you sure it is a used by date or best before date (I cant remember) nevertheless uht milk is sterilized and sealed while prob not quite as good as canning it is the same principle and canned foods have been consumed after 100 years. Bacteria are like any other living thing and must produce waste products which will usually show up as gas or spiolage. I do not believe that a product that can go unrefridgerated for 3 or 6 months will then suddenly go off after another 3 or 6 months Unless there is a packaging malfunction which wil render the product obviosly off
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:45
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:45
OK I hjave just looked at a carton in the fridge it is best before vastly different from use by and is just A$$ covering however all the usual due process should be taken (make sure carton is not bulging, thickening of product, smell etc)
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 15:20
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 15:20
mmm no need to worry if he had bought coopers pale ale it would not have a best before date....but rather Best After date......
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Follow Up By: gramps - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 17:48
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 17:48
Mine never last that long Nudie :)))))
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:52
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:52
Gramps ya a pig!...your supposed to let it ferment in the bottle.....!!
lol lol
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 00:39
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 00:39
Bugger! That's why my guts start to rumble and tumble and generally do disagreeable things.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:44
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 14:44
If they are getting near use by date, i put them in the freezer; good to use as an icebrick if nothing else.
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Follow Up By: myfourby - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 15:10
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 15:10
Good advice - especially with 24 litres!!
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Reply By: Member - Heinz- Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 17:34
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 17:34
Sorry kids, no milk no icy-poles either. If that milk had an use-by date for the month october, how long have you been away??? When I buy my UHT-milk it has normally an other 5-6 months to go before the best use-by date
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:49
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:49
Twas bought as is approached that date at the Ardmona factory outlet in Mooroopna. Lots of cheap stuff there.
If you are planning a trip you can save a fortune if you go there before the
supermarket, and luckily for us it's just around the corner.
Dave
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:33
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:33
Just as an aside, Dairy Framers are now making the long-life milk in really nice plastic bottles. We find the tetrapaks self-destruct on the corrugated roads.
These new plastic bottles look solid, have a nice foil seal on the top and you don't have to decant them into a decor container to make them survive the rough stuff.
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:50
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:50
That's what these ones are.
Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 21:26
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 21:26
Hi Dave,
Yeah, I just checked the expiry date on the new ones we got in the fridge - 27th Feb 06, so I'd guess its only half as long as the tetrapack.
We got sick of the plastic top on the tetrapacks anyway - I'll have to find a few corrugations to tets them out next year :-))
Cheers
phil
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Reply By: RustyHelen - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:48
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:48
Hi
Have to declare my bias upfront-- 30 years in dairy manufacture.
If UHT spoils through bacteria it will normally happen early in life, and the results will be spectacular-- expansion followed by explosion..... If your UHT container starts to expand get it underground quick.
Age deterioration is another thing altogether. You will start to see fat separation (the old fat layer on a bottle of milk) or protein breakdown--signs of this are little lumps in the coffee/tea or a "bitty" mouth feel.
Normally, UHT will go long past its best before or use by, but the original post seems to indicate a trip around the country, maybe with temperature fluctuations etc so err on the side of caution.
UHT in plastic bottles will not last as long as cartons as they cannot get the barrier properties in a bottle that they can in a carton. Having said that the bottle is a bit more environmentally friendlier than the carton, which has a metal foil layer.
From October to now I would say that there should be no worries but if concerned take the advice of an earlier post and freeze it for cooking/custard etc later.
Rusty
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:52
Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 20:52
That explains the lumps then in some toward the end of the trip.
It's been in the camper since we got back too so it might be a bit buggered.
Dave
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 00:15
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 00:15
We use powdered milk and have no issues
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Follow Up By: Tony - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 07:01
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 07:01
I'm the same Willem, Diploma powered milk, last for ever, just mix up enough for 2-3 days and stick it in the fridge.
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:14
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:14
The kids are discerning little blighters of course......... but I'm with Willem - if you could get them back onto UHT flavour levels, powdered milk is the go - we take
tank water with us where possible, run it through a filter jug and then make up our milk via quality powder. You can't pick it from UHT and you can of course adjust the fat levels with dilution rates. Reasonable quality
water that we pick up on the way and then filter makes good milk too.
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 14:38
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 14:38
Did a little test on the flavour of uht milk the kids hated it.
Put the same milk into 2lt plastic ordinary milk container the have never commented.
All the best
Eric
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