patrol 3.0L engine expired!

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 05, 2006 at 22:43
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Had another customer's 3litre patrol expire before christmas,2001 model 170,000km approx rang Nissan and they have offered after warranty assist exactly what this will be i don't know as yet but will keep you all informed.

Another tip these motors actually have an idle speed screw in the computer lift up sticker at the end of computer not the one with nissan written on it but the one next to it,there is a screw under the nissan sticker but don't know what it does as yet.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 05, 2006 at 23:17

Thursday, Jan 05, 2006 at 23:17
Gee....

thats rare
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Reply By: Leroy - Thursday, Jan 05, 2006 at 23:31

Thursday, Jan 05, 2006 at 23:31
well it's another early 3L....they're all going to expire at some time or another..
It the later ones start popping, that's when I will be concerned!!

Leroy

PS There was an early 3L at Wang nissan in pieces when I was there the other day so it doen't surprise me anymore.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 05, 2006 at 23:33

Thursday, Jan 05, 2006 at 23:33
04 one at local nissan dealer with donk in squillion bits. they wouldnt let me near it, or ask questions :(
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:32

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:32
don't tell me that as mmines an '04!! Now that does surprise me. Is that at FTG? Would be interested to know what the go is there as would many others I bet.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: mick - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 18:19

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 18:19
Hey Truckster,

Why would they (Nissan dealer) let you near it or ask questions, who are you??

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 01:05

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 01:05
As far as they were concerned at the time, I'm a customer who was thinking of buying a GU...
...pretending to be interested in buying one of these bleep box's and spending $60,000, wouldnt you ask questions? Wouldnt it seem un-natural for a customer spending $60k+ on anything NOT to ask questions while your gettin the royal tour as your guided past all of these things?
Who are they to stop me asking questions?
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 00:25

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 00:25
Put the boost gauge in ours today - will see what reading we get over the next few days.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:33

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:33
Im interestsed in some feedback!!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: rob1 - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:56

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:56
Motherhen
Could you give me some details on how and where you put it, I'd like to put one in mine.

Thanks Rob
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 23:14

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 23:14
As reported to me - i wasn't there as i have to work for a living :(

Leroy, when Jim put is foot down to test it on the way up the hill out of town is went to 18 for a short bit then settled back to 14-15. Not tested towing, and only done the 5 minutes drive home so far.

Rob, gauge put on black pipe as per photos on Chaz's website (check out his links in my earlier posts). Nipple bronzed on to the pipe. Tube taken up to just in behind the radio, guage fitted in to the right of the radio.

Thanks Chaz for your advice and photos.

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Reply By: 4runner - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:13

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:13
Have heard from reliable Nissan motor mechanics in and around Perth, that the 3.0 litre diesel motor is grossly underpowered and dont expect to get high Kilometres from them . About 170,000 then they die. The 6 cylinder 2.8 turbo is very good engine and has been known to reach 600,000 Km before needing a major overhaul. The 4.2 litre turbo is an even better donk than all of the other Nissan diesels put together. Cant compare Toyota diesels as I run only dual fuel in my V6 4Runner and that suits me just fine.
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Follow Up By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:18

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:18
4runner

Not quite sure what you meant by "grossly underpowered" I get 133kW at the flywheel from my DTronic enhanced 2003 3L Nissan. This could mean that this one and many other brands of 3.0L diesels are more hightly stressed than the traditional 4.2, but unless someone has done the engineering calculations (stress = force/area) on the forces and corss-sectional areas of conrods, crankshafts etc, then they can not say for sure. Now I will admit that the Nissan 3.0L engine has a chequered history, but with every revolution in technology there is a period thereafter of evolution.

Now if the knockers of the new 3.0L engines who pronounce there is only one diesel "the good ol 4.2 donk, and you shouldn't change it" had their way, then we would still be riding round in horse drawn carts with solid wheels. The spoked wheel would never have evolved because it was too problematic initially. Rudolf Diesel wouldn't have bothered to try and overcome the problems with his initial designs, turbo chargers, wouldn't have even been heard of.

So although revolutions in technology are often problematic, before people start pouring scorn on these as seems to be common place on this forum, just stop and think about how many things around you in your daily lives are a result of revolutions followed by evolution in technology; EVERY MATERIAL OBJECT.

My two cents worth for the day.
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Follow Up By: P.G. (Tas) - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:11

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:11
Snowy, couldn't have said it better myself :-) Good on ya!
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Follow Up By: Original Banjo (SA) - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 17:07

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 17:07
I can see Snowy's rationale - a very supportive view, BUT there is potential for taking an opposing view. We don't know that this iffy 3.0 TD is simply something that was "available at the time" to just "chuck in there for now", until we get "something sorted out". These makers are sourcing engines and parts from all over, all the time (Jeep uses Mercedes). Obviously Toyota can't source or tool up for a high tech diesel yet or they would have replaced the current older tech motor in the Prado. Maybe Nissan just tooled up too soon, or sourced something too quickly, and just ran with it as a gamble..... a decision that can be very harmful to some buyers.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 13:08

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 13:08
correct me if Im wrong but I think up til recently most of the major manufacturers have had higher tech diesels available but Aus is only just introducing low sulphur here, which are needed for these engines. The european manufacturers have not long been able to bring there high tech diesel passenger cars here for that reason?
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Follow Up By: Original Banjo (SA) - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 14:43

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 14:43
Hmmmmm.....re high tech etc.....there are obviously levels of "tech" here ...... my Jack's 3.0 TD is considered high tech compared to many currently around....it ran very well on 1998 diesel fuel - but there is a generation of super tech diesels now that squeeze even more power from the 3.0 litres, and with low emissions plus great economy. I suggest the Mercedes 3.0 6 cylinder TD in the Jeep is an example - around 160KW - probably the VW diesels and some others are in the same league too. Seems the actual pressure able to exerted on the injected fuel is the key. The power is great, the technology impressive, but the servicing and repairs should trouble strike would be super scary IMO. I'm thinking a 1HZ with after market low boost turbo might be the best long term, all round, option that anyone could choose.
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Reply By: scottcamp - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:14

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:14
Hi All,
As I have said before the Nissan 3.0 Diesel is classed in the Europe as an old out of date lump. There is nothing advanced about the 3.0 that is not commonplace on your basic super mini which your grandma runs down to the shops in. The engine in Europe is used in tons of cars and trucks and 250,000 miles (not Km) is the norm for these engines. I cannot understand the difference between Oz and Europe. We have 3.0 Diesels producing over 200 bhp with complete reliability. Varible vane turbo again old news, so I do not get the big deal about the Nissan 3.0. If that is high technology wait to see what will come your way soon. Yes the 3.0 had design problems in the beginning, hopefully Nissan has fixed these and all is well, only time will tell. So what I am saying do NOT associate high technology engines with poor reliability, most modern engines will see 300,000 plus and more easily. If Nissan has a problem with the 3.0 it has nothing to do with new technology but just bleep poor design and i'm afraid there is no cure for incompetence as yet. I hope it is just isolated to the early models as I have a 2005 patrol. As for the 2004 model engine in pieces, I could give you a hundred reasons for that, and 99 of them could happen to any engine.

Scott
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Follow Up By: Flash - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:59

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:59
Spot on.
Some people will never accept "new" technology- even when it's years old.
Does anyone remember when design rule 27A came in in Oz for petrol engines.
The number of doom and gloom merchants was unbelievable, yet look at the clean, efficient and reliable engines we have today. They start and run better, produce more power with less pollution on less fuel than anything else that ran on the old leaded super petrol.
Diesels are going the same way-( people were also knocking the low sulphur diesel, yet it is amuch better fuel!)
Drove a new Peugeot Diesel a couple of hundred kays the other day- WOW! Roll on new technology- I love it. Sure there can be a problem or two in the beginning, but when it's matured a little....
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Reply By: Outbacktourer - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 14:33

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 14:33
ACDC, do you know the history of it? Any MAF/fuel pump/boost etc problems prior to this? Thanks for the info.

Regds
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 20:09

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 20:09
Poorly maintained! and abused, had complaints of flat spots and poor fuel economy. just did the clutch and flywheel!

Had another today idle speed problem ,idle at 1500rpm so ask him any other strange things happen, yes it blew the intercooler hose off while he was on a trip.So i took it to nissan for a code check and there it was over boost fault in computer.

I strongly advise all 3.0 litre owners to fit a boost gauge!!!!or a blow off valve.
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Follow Up By: hl - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 20:22

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 20:22
No such code!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 21:44

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 21:44
You better tell Nissan that!
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Jan 09, 2006 at 21:02

Monday, Jan 09, 2006 at 21:02
ACDC, how do you fir a blow off valve?

Leroy
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Reply By: 4runner - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 17:40

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 17:40
I think that everyone has missed the point, regarding the unreliability of the 3 litre normally aspirated engine.The problem is that they were far to underpowered for the weight of the vehicle. AND THAT WAS FROM NISSAN THEMSELVES plus ALL THE NISSAN MECHANICS I HAVE WORKED WITH IN PERTH. I worked for a Nissan dealershop and saw more broken 3 litre motors than Morris 1000 engines over a 40 year lifespan. Lets use this example to show my point - as ridiculous an example if ever there was one. Fit a two litre four cylinder or 6cyl motor into a body that weighs around the 3000 Kg mark, and see how long that 2.0 litre motor will last. Now put the latest Ford F250 , all seven+ litres of it into that same Patrol, and how long will that last. Probably a 900,000 Km . But no matter what , the argumnet willl rage on for years to come. Same as the age old argumnet which is the better two cars Holden or Ford - neither, as Toyota out sold the two combined two, for 2005 and is still Australias best selling vehicle. And personally I dont care much for the styling of the new Toyota range let alone the new Hi-Lux. They guy who desgined that must have had far to much to drink the day he designed it. Its hideous to say the least. More like it was designed for the yank market. My go anywhere V6 4 Runner is basically unstoppable and isnt fitted with all the latest electronic crap that can go so easily wrong in the bush. Plus its only done 120,000 Km. Good for another 400,000 by which time I`ll be burried in some cemetry - along with the car!!!
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 21:44

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 21:44
4runner - how many broken 3 litres have you seen in the 'revised' models?
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Follow Up By: MATT.D(WA) - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 23:51

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 23:51
4runner,

I hear what you're saying but if underpowered motors for the weight of the car is the problem how come the 2.8l patrol motor supposedley lasts so much longer than the 3.0l.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 02:09

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 02:09
4runner replied to the question

I think that everyone has missed the point, regarding the unreliability of the 3 litre normally aspirated engine.

isnt it the 3.0TD that is being talked about??
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 02:52

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 02:52
I agree with you about the styling of the new Hilux but I have a problem with what else your saying here.
You say... "I think that everyone has missed the point, regarding the unreliability of the 3 litre normally aspirated engine."

The 3.0 Nissan is NOT normally aspirated. it has an electronically controlled variable vaine TURBO CHARGER and is also intercooled.

Then you talk about putting a 2.0 engine in a car that weighs 3000 kg ???
What the??? my patrol does not weigh 3000 kg.

And yes your V6 4 runner DOES have a lot of the electronic crap that can go wrong. It has electronic fuel injection and electronic ignition, both of which are a bitch to fix when your up shyt creek.

Muzz

How can the 3.0 patrol be under powered for the size of the vehicle when the 1HZ toyota pushes troopies around with less power.

When Nissan gets a few lessons from the Germans (both engines and auto box's) we will all be much better off.
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Reply By: 4runner - Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 22:06

Friday, Jan 06, 2006 at 22:06
Three to date since the beginning of January. All had exceeded 170,000. Mainly bearings - both main and big ends. The 6 cyl 2.8 turbo diesel is a better motor in terms of longevity
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Jan 09, 2006 at 21:12

Monday, Jan 09, 2006 at 21:12
3???? and what is the build date of these vehcles? More than likely early 3.0l engines. Sounds a bit like you are trying to justify the purchase of your own vehicle to your self which has it's own inherent problems.
And recomending a 2.8l??? You obviously haven't owned or driven one and know of the problems they also have.

Leroy
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Reply By: 4runner - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 14:20

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 14:20
I guess this debate is going to go round in circles - getting nowhere fast. Its a sad fact of life that the 3litre diesel was a lemon- PERIOD Maybe Nissan hasnt worken to to the latest technology coming from Germay with the common rail diesel plus all the other goodies that we can expect here in about a gazillion years time. Then perhaps there will be no such thing as BAD diesel. Problem is, for the non mechaniaclly minded person, if something goes wrong with your fancy common rail diesel and all the electronics - who the hell is going to fix it whe you are out on the Canning Stock Route - to name but a few when the electrics shuts down.

I`ll just stick to my dual fuel V6 4Runner. To date touch wood, nothing has ever gone awry or broken down in the outback. I do carry a spare stater motor, alternator, waterhoses, break hoses ( in case) fan alternator and airconbelt. A fuel filter and a spare fuel pump and a starter solenoid.

Good luck with all your endeavours in sorting out the problematical 3 litre diesel
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 14:44

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 14:44
Have you done the headgaskets yet,there was major recall through toyota on these's the blocks warp and the gaskets blow.
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Reply By: 4runner - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 15:05

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 15:05
Two new heads were replaced under Toyota`s world wide recall back in `97 and so were the stearing arms and idler arms etc under another factory world wide recall about September. I cant complain about the Toyota after care recalls that were all fixed under factory warranty recall BIG MARKS FOR TOYOTA IN THAT RESPECT. Just a pity about the pricing of their spare parts. Must be making 800% profit on them. Othersie a bloody good vehicle for just the wife and myself
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Reply By: 4runner - Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 15:32

Saturday, Jan 07, 2006 at 15:32
Would the 3.4 litre Toyota V6 fit under the bonnet of the V6 4Runner Personally I cant see why not as its only thebore and stroke that have been modified. Plus a the new Prado six speed gearbox, that would make it a reasonbly more powerful motor and probably drink less fuel, due to thefact that its not being worked so hard. ?????? Just curious
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Reply By: 4runner - Monday, Jan 09, 2006 at 21:59

Monday, Jan 09, 2006 at 21:59
Have given serious thought to putting in the new 3.4 litre motor mated to the 6 speed gearbox. Could be a good combination and would certainly have more get up and go.
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Reply By: Dave Thomson - Thursday, Jan 12, 2006 at 16:14

Thursday, Jan 12, 2006 at 16:14
Yes, hello mate, I was just wondering if you could let me know the outcome of your dillema, I have a 2001 3 lt T/D {970000 K'S} and when I was in Albany the other week I was talking to the salesman about the amount of 3lts that have blew up and what if anything Nissan would do for you, he told me that Nissan were tightening up on compensation for the owners of those cars and he said they were now offering only 50 PC of what it cost to rebuild, which is still outragous, at the end of the day all you can do is keep it serviced every 10,000 K's and it should last you for 4 or 500000 K's if not more !!! anyhow it will be good to see just how Nissan handle this , we look forward to hearing from you,
good luck mate,
regards,
Dave
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Thursday, Jan 12, 2006 at 20:04

Thursday, Jan 12, 2006 at 20:04
When i have more news i let you know.
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