Numbers.........
Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 10, 2006 at 20:52
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Member - Reiner G (QLD)
I was thinking about statistics today regarding people getting killed on the road. I think they say 3000 people die each year on our roads in Australia. That would mean about 8 people day each day........ which is no doubt to many by far...... The premier got called back from his holiday into a emergency meeting discussing the Christmas holiday Road toll of nearly 90 people.
The time measured is from the 23th of Dec to the 6th of January and that would be 13 Days. In my books 13 times 8 makes 104 people statisticly dying in 13 days. So believing all thise numbers we done very
well of the holidays.
No we have to expect double points and bigger fines? sounds all like a lot of bull to me.... somwhere along the lines something is not right here......or can soembody explain to me what I have overlooked?
Bigger fines doint work anyway that is proven now for many years.
Reiner
Reply By: Exploder - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2006 at 21:26
Tuesday, Jan 10, 2006 at 21:26
20,000,000 people driving 100’s of million K’s each year when you think about it 3000 sound’s like a lot but isn’t that high.
On the news today in WA in a few months if you have a radar detector in the car you can be fined $2000, so how is this helping cut the road toll? Is there a connection between deaths on the road and radar detectors, Did I high parentage of the 3000 have Detectors in the Car, very unlikely.
Government’s focus on the wrong areas, instead off let’s train people better from start I.E how to handle and control a car, driving on different surfaces and conditions and at speed+ the road rules.
Instead It’s we will make it hard to get a licence, training consists of a crappy perception
test on a Computer, then we will hide radar’s behind trees lower speed limit’s and fine the chit out of people saying it’s all in the name of revenue rasing Ukum I mean road Safety.
How many people died in the NT over the Holiday last I sore it was 0 and they have open limits and no demit points.
We will never have 0 deaths on the road we as humans make mistakes and have accidents, and as the
population grows it will only go up as
well, driving is a risk you know that when you go out.
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Reply By: Footloose - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2006 at 21:46
Tuesday, Jan 10, 2006 at 21:46
I wonder how we compare to other countries? Of course a direct comparison wouldn't be useful, but stats would be interesting.
As for 3000 people not being many, remember that the numbers could be far lower if we started to ask those we pay taxes to, "why is it so ?".
Personally I rekkon any fatality is one too many. In the last week I've experienced five examples of d^&*head driving....and I've purposely kept off the roads as much as possible. Last example was a
young man who saw me keeping 2 carlengths behind the vehicle in front. So he figures that's one space for him. No indicators, zap. Car in front stops, he bangs on the anchors and luckily for him I had moved back another space. T'was nearly a case of evolution.
So if I'd of hit him, I would of been charged, he might of been dead and his friends and family decimated. Wouldn't of done much for my sleep either.
But hey, just one more statistic, right ?
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2006 at 22:35
Tuesday, Jan 10, 2006 at 22:35
We have haven’t we?, that’s where all these new Anti hoon law’, Double demerit hiding cameras ETC comes from (WA), and it doesn’t achieve a lot.
I do find it amazing that Vic the toughest state in Aus when it comes to driving offices was up there with the rest of the states, so what have all the tough laws accomplished, more money for the Gov as for the road toll
well you could ease off the Fines a bit and see if it changers anything, not that you want to start playing with lives, it would be interesting to see if it goes up, down or stays the same tho.
I must say too, that you don’t need to look far to see how accident happen I.E people on the freeway in the Right lane doing 75-80K’s In a 100k Zone with a phone in one hand wile it’s bleep down with rain.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Jan 11, 2006 at 15:47
Wednesday, Jan 11, 2006 at 15:47
Exploder, you are right about Nanny Victoria. In Victoria the new anti-hoon law as I understand it if you cause a wheel to lose grip, you can be seen to offend the law.
ahhhhh so any time you lift a wheel off the road or track you are seen to offend. The penalty is applied to the car owner. SO if you drive down the road and lose traction you can lose the car by default to the government - they will just take it. The moral of the story is if you tread a little heavily on the go or stop pedal do it in somebody elses car. MUM.........
I see a few people in this
forum say if you 'do the crime, you pay the fine'. Funny they do all sorts of other things to avoid paying taxes where it isn't legal. You may insert a description for those people. I could not possibly say se** rit****
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Thursday, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:25
Thursday, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:25
I was in Malaysia last year and they had a
shop window full of pictures from local bike/car crashes (and no censorship on those pictures at all). The statistic up with them was that they lost around 7500 people in the previous year.
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 14:20
Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 14:20
Reiner
I feel you rightly queried the statistics.
Leaving emotional issues aside, the very small numbers of people killed during short holiday periods is far too low to have any statistical significance.
There are certain to be quite substantial variations and these variations do not indicate any signicant trend if compared only from one year to another. The standard deviation (the probable variation) is huge. If there is a continuing rise over many years that is of course a different matter.
If road deaths are evaluated on number of cars on road, or total vehicle distance driven, there has been an ongoing fall for a long time.
Collyn Rivers
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Follow Up By: Member - Reiner G (QLD) - Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 16:40
Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 16:40
Thanks for your reply Collyn, we just get all sorts of numbers from the media and it all doesn't make sense anymore. Sometimes it feels like they think we all a bit stupid.
But such is life I guess. Hope you had a good Christmas and you're having fun with your new t-van :-)
cheers
Reiner
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 15:34
Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 15:34
Reiner,
6.9 people killed per day over 13 days of X-mass.
4.3 people killed per day over the whole year (including X-mass)
i.e. 60% more deaths over x-mass
I think that is fairly significant, however I also agree that the whole "bigger fines for safety sake" is just something they feed the chooks while they take that money and go on a "study tour" to the greek islands with the family.
R.
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Follow Up By: Member - Reiner G (QLD) - Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 17:12
Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 17:12
More numbers, I guess it depends who you listen to. I wonder if there could be 60% more people on the road over Christmas or better 60% more kilometers driven.
Still doesn't sound like the Premier has to break up his holiday to come in for an emergency meeting. I think we get strung along a little here.
I agree they just keep feeding the chooks.... but they do forget sometimes the chooks go voting too.
Cheers
Reiner
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 17:31
Friday, Jan 13, 2006 at 17:31
That's right. I was in
Brisbane briefly between X-mass and the New Year and it was like a ghost town (more so then usual). There was absolutely no traffic or people anywhere. Everybody left town. I reckon the number of km travelled over that period would be two to three times the norm.
R
p.s. i got the statistics from "Road Deaths Australia 2004 Statistical Summary" which I posted a link to above.
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