problems patrol zd30 2003 engine

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 16:42
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I was driving in the road passing a bus uphill when suddenly I felt a loss of power and my clutch got stiff and the car lost power, Then I saw there was white smoke coming out of the engine and the engine was failing like it was going to turn off. I stopped the car and turned it off and saw oil coming out in the water(it was raining)
I tried turning on the engine , and it did but it bounced back and forth but it turned on . the exhaust had oil residu and the engine still had oil, no check engine turned on and the temperature gauge was ok, I had to tow my car back home , I have to take the car to the dealership on monday, it had only 75km since last checkup (did it on friday)for 65K
Dont know , what do you guys think this is?
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:01

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:01
Straight back to your dealer mate.
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Follow Up By: burnsy - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:29

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:29
Very expensive!!!!!!!!!!. I won't speculate but either way There's mechanical damage to your engine. Good luck.
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Reply By: 120scruiser - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:25

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:25
Another one bites the dust.
Sounds like the usual hole in a piston.
I thought these things had been fixed.
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:25

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:25
I find it amazing that there are still 3.0 TD Patrol drivers who are surprised when their engine goes BANG.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 23:55

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 23:55
Im suprised they still sell em!
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Follow Up By: Turbo Diesel - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:44

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:44
Just saw two new navaras while driving my new Hilux, thought they where two Pathys, I wonder how the 2.5l td will go, i have already heard rumours that they are not as strong as the ZD30, personally i thought this was hard to imagine as the ZD30 sucks, However the typical Nissan overheating issues where spoken of. I wonder how suprised the new Navara drivers will be IF the motor goes BANG!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 18:42

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 18:42
I got to agree with Trucky again (I'm making a habit of this). Why would they screw their reputation over this engine??? beats me.
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Reply By: Member - David 0- Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:26

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 17:26
Where was the oil (in the water) coming from?

Sound much like every other zd30 that has failed. What year and month is it?
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Follow Up By: jorgejhandal - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 07:52

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 07:52
it was 2003 I think july or august I dont really know exactly because here they bring cars and keep them in fiscal deposit and sell them when ever they want, I purchased mine mid jan 2004 but I now it was late 2003 model
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 19:45

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 19:45
oil in the water is usaully a crack in the head , the fact that it is coming out in the egaust might mean a crack in the block, or that you put a rod through the block
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Reply By: dieselup - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 21:21

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 21:21
sounds as though it's terminal!
from my experience the only way to be resonably confident of the engines in the 3L patrols is to cut the filter open at every service (each 5000km) and check for any evidence of metal in the corrigated paper
the best way to do this is to cut a section(about a quarter of the paper) out and keeping it folded put it in the vice and squeeze out as much oil as you can
make sure you put a handfull of rag under it to catch the oil !
stretch the paper out and look carfully at both sides
at least if something's a miss you might catch it before it fails all together, that's how Icaught mine before it blew at 210000km
I'd be asking some fairly stern questions of the dealer, it seems odd that it happened straight after a service
A sure fix for the problems with the 3 litres is to trade it in on a cruiser, that's what I did !!
Anyway good luck with it all
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Follow Up By: hl - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 21:46

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 21:46
So.. exactly what did you "catch" before it blew.....
Presumably it still blew.. so whatever you "caught" had now effect.
You will always find some metal particles in the oil filter of any engine.
I would just like to see the dealer's face when you roll up with a few specks of metal in your hand and tell them fix it.......
Cheers
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Follow Up By: adamj1300 - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 22:03

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 22:03
I'd be asking some fairly stern questions of the dealer, it seems odd that it happened straight after a service
A sure fix for the problems with the 3 litres is to trade it in on a cruiser, that's what I did !!
Anyway good luck with it all

& then when the front axel goes on the cruizer go back to ur dealer & trad it in the a 4.2 td patrol
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:27

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:27
Here we go with the front diff thing again!.... ;-)
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Follow Up By: dieselup - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 20:29

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 20:29
sorry hl caught it at 210000 before it blew , i never was good at writing stories
the filter had white metal in it , it wasn't magnetic, probably bearing or piston skirt , it was breathing a bit
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 21:46

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 21:46
I smell troll...

but have a search thru any 4wd forum.. its as common as having to replace tires

daaaa da daaaa da da
another one bites the dust...
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Follow Up By: obone - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 00:17

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 00:17
Sorry Truckster is goes : dud - dud - dud - dud.......an' another one bites the dust. It's been adopted as the national anthem by the country of Nissan - is-missin (in action).
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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 23:49

Sunday, Jan 15, 2006 at 23:49
I always read these threads with interest, and can't help but wonder why Navara owners don't seem to be posting the same question about the Navaras.

Surely it can't just be an intercooler that's the difference?

Dave
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 01:30

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 01:30
Navara turbo is NOT variable vain.
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Reply By: Member - David 0- Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 08:19

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 08:19
How does a variable vane turbo blow pistons?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:49

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:49
I don't think it's because it's a variabe vane turbo the problem arises it's probably because of the MAF sensor failing and extra high boost. Look at the situation in which the motor blew. He was passing a bus uphill so he would of been giving it heaps. If the MAF sensor was stuffed, engine was likely to be over fueling, turbo over boosting.......well you know the rest.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:56

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:56
I agree. My question was rhetorical.

I am very suspicious of overfueling being the problem with most of these failures. I wish the MAF failure would default to an undefuelling situation instead.

I ask my mechanic to check the MAF sensor at EVERY service.
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Reply By: DesC - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 18:10

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 18:10
if you had oil on the water on the ground underneath it sounds like the apprentice left the sump plug loose or 2 packings under the oil filter, either way it sounds like it lost all of its oil.
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Reply By: scottcamp - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 19:40

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 19:40
I think we should wait and see the outcome, as oil does not just spill on the ground. More than likely it is something to do with the service as it was so soon after it. We should not just jump on the bandwagon as we have no real proof that this engine is not fixed. We have no first hand evidence of a new model failing, this could be the first or it could be nothing but a servicing error. If it was the common failure of pistons blowing to such an extent to puncture the block or damage the head you can be 100% certain that engine would not have started again. Most likely the sump plug was loose!

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Follow Up By: Chaz - Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 22:35

Monday, Jan 16, 2006 at 22:35
Hi Scott,
I agree, when I had my 50K service, my local dealer forgot to tighten my left rear wheel nuts up, well after about 1000K's I had already lost two and the rest were on their way off. Luckily I stopped to let the tyres down and found it. The point is that people make mistakes, that can be terminal, and not always necessarily the vehicles fault.

Chaz
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