Wednesday, Jan 15, 2003 at 17:06
Nobby, first of all you have to compare apples with apples, not apples to melons.
Your figures on the Trailblaza are most definitely incorrect. 42 amps is the mark for that fridge.
In the rest of the figures you are quoting, you are not quoting the size of the fridges that go with those figures.
The Engel was only 40 litres
The evaKool was 50 litres
The Weaco was 40 litres
The Trailblaza was 40 litres
Now if you work those figures back to litres for power consumed the evaKool works out the best.
No reason at all you should not go for the cheaper fridge, as all the Danfoss powered fridges are good. If you are going on bad roads constantly, the evaKool is the only fridge on the market that uses the IndelB suspesion system, which Danfoss have on their website as being the best
suspension system available for their compressors. That is the system used on all the NATO fridges with Danfoss compressors.
At least with a Danfoss powered fridge you can get it repaired anywhere if necessary and is unusual to need repairs, and they are easily and cost effectively repaired unlike Engel.
Charging deep cycle batteries with an alternator of that capacity will ensure the batteries are not going to have a very long life. You would be far better off buying the small Honda GX100 motor for $460 and getting a Lucas generator and three barrel regulator fully rebuilt from your local auto electrician for about $160 and hooking it up to the motor. You can also put a small relay on the system to automatically cut the motor off as soon as the batteries were fully charged. Noise with a C20 generator is not going to be much of an issue as you would only need to run the Honda motor at around 1/3 throttle. Charging batteries is far superior to charging with an alternator, and ensures the batteries get fully charged. Those Christie built generating sets are good for people with heaps of money that can afford to regularly replace their batteries, or just use them once or twice to start earthmoving gear in the field. They are most definitely not good for charging deep cycle batteries on an ongoing basis, and are unlikely to charge the batteries to full capacity. A generator for example will charge at 20 amps continuously till the battery is *fully* and properly charged. An alternator will start at say 50 amps, as it is totally voltage dependent on what amperage it will charge at, and quickly reduce down to say 10 to 15 amps while the motor is still screaming its head off, and as the battery gets up, it drops down to say 5 amps and the battery is still not fully charged. Where as a generator stays at the 20 amps all the time it is charging the battery and only drops down once the battery is charged. If you take a 55 amp alternator and a 20 amp generator, there will be virtually no difference in the amount of time taken to charge the battery. But of course the generator will have charged the battery 100% where as the alternator at best will have charged it 90%. Now 10% may not sound like much difference, but in practices that is probably 25%+ of the battery capacity. Unfortunatly everything in the auto electrical field is not black and white, you need to know how these devices work and function.
Do you really need two batteries. One battery should be more than sufficient for 2 days running including lights. More batteries always equal more problems.
Have you considered solar panels instead of a gen set. You can do solar panels for the same price as a Christie gen set and never have to bother with
fuel, servicing or replacment cost as solar panels have 25 year warranty.
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Follow Up By: Ray - Thursday, Jan 16, 2003 at 14:34
Thursday, Jan 16, 2003 at 14:34
Ozi,
I have run my Christie gen set many times and tested battery capacity and it does fully charge though yes of course it takes time as it is voltage regulated. Charging deep cycle batteries on this system should be no different to a standard battery charger, the Christie unit is simply left on low charge. The max output of the gen set, battery charger or solar pannel is of little relevance unless the resistance of the battery and wires etc is very low, at which point the battery may accept max charge. A deep cycle battery has higher resistance so whether you use a 55 amp charger or 500 amp it makes little difference as the battery limits the current supply though resistance. Supply is regulated by the resistance, incorrect voltages destroy batteries!! This and other fundemental laws make me wonder how a generator will be any different to an altenator. ie as the resistance increases either the current flow reduces or the voltage must increase. If the voltage increases beyond about 15.2volts for a flooded lead acid you will reduce the life of the battery. So how does a generator continue to output max current without increasing the voltage beyond safe levels of the battery?
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Thursday, Jan 16, 2003 at 17:18
Thursday, Jan 16, 2003 at 17:18
Ray, the way an alternator charges has no relevence whatsoever to a generator. A generator will always be a superior battery charger to an alternator and always will be, unless you use electronics to overcome the deficiences of an alternator.
An alternator output as you have stated is 100% voltage related, not a generator. For example a Lucas C20 generator with a 3 barrel regulator will charge at a continuous 22amps till the battery is fully charged and then drop down to a small float charge. Sure, you can buy smart three step regulators for alternators, but these are expensive and still do not as good as a three step generator mechanical tempreture compensated regulator. If you check alternators on motor vehicles, it is not unusual for the batteries to only being charged to 80% capacity. For motor vehicles if you are just charging the starting battery an alternator is fine and good for the job, but it is when you come to charge deep cycle batteries that a generator sure comes into its own in every way. Find a
well experienced auto electrician in your area who will explain to you how a three barrel regulator works and how the generator charges. You need to find a person probably around the 50 mark.
The new motor vehicle 42vDC systems will more than likely have a generator fitted as standard, so far, not an alternator in site in the scheme of things!
If you would like to buy a ticket to go to Manchester, UK for the 29th and 30th of January 2003, you can be as informed as I will be on the new design of 36 to 42v vehicle systems and vehicle charging systems.
Here is the information you will want. I may even be able to get you a discount!
www.intertechusa.com/battery.html (warning is a PDF file)
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