Where not to visit

Nothing wrong with the pub, was there about 3 weeks ago. What did you expect...The Hilton??

Ooopps, the response was directed at panard

Darian, don't scratch Milang off of your agenda. Especially not on the basis of one bloke having a whinge. Go there for the reason you stated, Milang is a quiet, peaceful town.
Barnesy

Oh but I disagree. You head off for adventure, fun and enjoyment. Okay.. sometimes you meet bush 'characters' who are rude and unpleasant and that's just part of the rich tapestry of life.

If however, you are paying your hard earned cash for below standard service.... well at least 'well below standard service' then we need to know to avoid it!

I'm happy to tell you lot not to go to the top servo in Roseberry Tasmania. Bad attitude, poor service. I've got plenty more.

What we need to do though is post the balancing 'good service' stories as well.

I'll do that next time I find some.

So if I found no joy in your show, Royce, and published it on this website, do you think that everyone should then stay away because of my recommendation? Probably not!

Yep... what you say is terrifying... and it does happen. You can only please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of he time. Hopefully I could swing into damage control and get some balancing references and plead some horrible calamity had caused the bad word.

Still... I've had some shocking experiences and know that those who follow would have the same. Just the showers and toilets in some cvan parks are enought to make a bad stay.

I do get your point though. We should be very careful about putting out the bad word.

Willem , I am not in the market to bag people or places for the hell of it. I feel that if my experience can help someone else's holiday be a more pleasant one then I will tell it as it is. I too have had many many pleasant and very enjoyable experiences throughout Australia and have posted them on other sites. You take it however you want,Willem.

What is happening to this country ??? Enough of this politically correct BS! I am not a sheep, and I believe the best percentage of Forum users are not sheep. Give us the facts and let us make up our own minds!

If I see someone or something get a bad wrap, I take it with a grain of salt. I will keep it in the back of my mind and make my own choices and decisions when the time comes.

If someone/somewhere/something get continual poor reports, then I believe where there's smoke there must be fire and vice versa for good reports.

Let's keep Australia, Australian.

Cheers all

Peter

"Let's keep Australia, Australian."

PG,

What are you talking about?

G'day Willem. I don't usually get on my soap box, but seeing as you asked what “let's keep Australia, Australian” means, here goes.....

What I am talking about is how much this country has changed in the last 30-40 years or so. My father, and Grand Father went to war to protect this country and to preserve the Australian way of life for generations to come. This is why I have chosen to go down the 4WD track, to get out there to see, experience and share this great land, rather than go overseas.

The Australia I grew up in was a place where everyone was entitled to voice their own opinion, regardless of what it was, right or wrong, then stand up and be open to scrutiny. A place where a man's word was his bond and his word would never be broken. Australians were renowned for their strength of character.

Today as I look around, it saddens me beyond belief. We are becoming a race of limp wrested, wishy-washy, politically correct sheep, to afraid to do or say anything, for fear of offending someone, public backlash or litigation. This is not the Australia I want to leave as a legacy to future generations.

Let’s keep the Australia our forbears’ fought for. Encourage immigration, embrace different cultures, but leave them in no doubt that this is Australia and they are expected to embrace the Australian way of life. Australia is like any other place on Earth, and that’s the way I’d like to keep it. Let’s pass on the wonderful things this country has to offer and I believe we will all be better off, especially after your been around the block once or twice..

I may be living in a dream world, but this is what I strive for.

Cheers,

Peter

BTW, Willem, years ago any business who offered poor service or deliberatey ripped off others would be run out of town. Pity it doesn't happen now!

Cheers

Peter,,, Could not aggree more.,,,Nav.

Peter, your words are very apt to most points. The only line I take exception to is"We are becoming a race of limp wrested, wishy-washy, politically correct sheep, to afraid to do or say anything, for fear of offending someone, public backlash or litigation."
I for one strongly object to be labelled as you have stated above to the point that I take pride in being non politically correct and in true Australian style, I enjoy putting it up the Politically Correct people's noses. I don't think I'm alone here and we are becoming a growing force within the community.
I hate Political Correctness and the namby pamby way that our politicians carry on and the sooner they get in touch with reality the better this country will become.
(Stepping down from soapbox now)

Des, it's wonderful to see that I'm not on my own.

Not everyone fits into the "becoming a race of limp wrested, wishy-washy, politically correct sheep," but be warned, the ranks are swelling unfortunately, driven by politicis and some of the legislation that has been expounded recently.

It seems to me that this is the way of the future, and if it is, let me off now! Australia will no longer be the lucky country.

Cheers

Peter

PG

It is interesting to get such a response as yours after my initial comment was that I had thought that it was not a good idea to to bag a place and to offer advice to others, that they should avoid such a place.

The Australia you are yearning after is still there but you may not be close to it.

Your limp wristed comment is only the perception that you have.

Life is changing by the minute and technology has brought us all to yearn for better typing skills. There is no way we can turn the clock back though to go back to a time which may have seemed to be idyllic.

You have to live your life within the parameters of the present day society and keep your cool when confronted by what may seem to you as alien customs.

>You have to live your life within the parameters of the present
>day society and keep your cool when confronted by what may
>seem to you as alien customs.

No you don't.

Otherwise you're just a sheep following the masses and being comforted by the consumer trinkets dished out to keep them docile. George Orwell understood this very well and cautioned us in regard to it – it seems we failed to listen. Change comes from people who challenge the existing system – it doesn't come from those who are satiated by it.

Currently we have far too much Political Correctness in Australia and it's high time people who don't want that spoke out against it not lived their lives according to it.

Change doesn't come from accepting the status quo – it comes from rejecting it.

Mike Harding

mike_harding@fastmail.fm

Well Robin Hood(aka Mke Harding)

I remember you saying something similar to me a while back

When are you going to start the revolution? Or are these just wrds once again.

Most people are already sheep anyway following doggedly every word perpetuated by the media. We voted for more of the same when we elected the government.

But what I was saying is that these days you can't even get into a fight without some sort of lawsuit pending. So don't get into a fight. Live within the parameters but do your own thing and not be worried what every Tom Dick or Harry thinks about it.

We are already in The New World Order whether we like it or not. Apathy has put us there

>Well Robin Hood(aka Mke Harding)

Hi Maid Marion

>I remember you saying something similar to me a while back

Excellent – you're memory is not completely selective then.

>When are you going to start the revolution? Or are these just
>wrds once again.

Strewth Bruce! I did my bit against South Africa when you were living off the blacks. There is a limit to what one man can do!

>Most people are already sheep anyway following doggedly
>every word perpetuated by the media.

True. But that's no reason to roll over and accept it, is it?

>But what I was saying is that these days you can't even get
>into a fight without some sort of lawsuit pending.

Ah! The clever bit, Willem, is choosing which fights to get into. Perhaps you've chosen the wrong ones?

>Live within the parameters

Which "parameters"? You mean "knuckle down"; do you?

>We are already in The New World Order whether we like it
>or not. Apathy has put us there

Nah. But, I agree, we're heading that way and unless we get off our butt and reject it then we'll be done for.

Mike Harding

You're all wind, mate

Goodnight!

Better than being full of pi$$, mate.

Bye

Mike Harding

Hey Willem, just some final comments on your post to me.

You said "The Australia you are yearning after is still there but you may not be close to it" and "Your limp wristed comment is only the perception that you have".

Well mate, I know the Australia I'm yearning for is still here, that why I live in Hobart. We may be 4-5 years behind the times, but sometimes that is a good thing Unfortunately we are catching up with the with the other big cities, but at least down here you won't get trampled on as people go about their business.

As for my perception of us becoming limp wristed, or as I put it, "a race of limp wrested, wishy-washy, politically correct sheep", I know many others share this view, so I'm not on my own.

I don't think the world is changing, just the people in it. Seems to me like we are our own worst enemies some times. To me, political correctness is being forced upon us by those who find it to hard to stand up for themselves, and in doing this they are weakening the Australian charactor.

Cheers.

Peter

I will second that....

Just read a report on another forum ...... make that three
Rolande

what forum is that Rolande ? I wouldn't mind a stickybeack

pink roadhouse

Here's a small snip

"Lowlight of the trip was Pink Roadhouse at Oodnadatta - I know it is an
icon, but it was greasy & dirty, poorly stock, non-existent service, etc.
We went up the road to the Trannie - Transcontinental Hotel and had a great lunch - salad included cherry tomatoes and strawberries. Across the road is the Oodnadatta Museum - key at the Trannie - worth a look."

Regards

Rolande

jeez rockie its gunna take you a long time to get over your expeirence there
mind you dirty deisel at 3 ways didnt endear that place to me either unfortunately an elephant has a long trunk as well as a long memory i only have a long memory

steve

Agree totally Trekkie. And for Willem, one saying that most people dislike and refrain from saying is " well I told you so " Happy Days!

Trekkie,

The point I was trying to make was that one persons perception of an event may be totally different another persons perception. In other words, I go to a Roadhouse and their toilets are filthy...but I am not supposed to P in public.... so I use it. I may confront the manager and complain or I may not bother. I certainly won't come on this forum and bag the Roadhouse.

Now I know Rock Crawler has an issue with the Pink Roadhouse. But I know Rock Crawler and I know the owner of the Pink Roadhouse and I can see(with some mirth, I might add) just where the two came unstuck.
Each one of these people come with their own baggage and the chemistry wasn't right. I disagree with Rock Crawler bagging the Pink Roadhouse and some others who do the same.

Having travelled well over a million kilometres over 37 years in this country, I have met some wonderful people and some down right nasty ones as well. I just put all of them down to exprience of life.

Telling someone not to support a place because of ones perception is not good and it creates a negative image.

Also Willem , No one is saying don't go to Oodnadatta , Just stated a issue we had with one person , I regard a W*****KR . Mind you everyone else that work there , were very nice people . Especially Des from next door . Now If I drove through town for fuel and food , I never would had had a issue and also would have had a total different perception of the place .

But in reality , telling people don't go there , sometimes makes people do the opposite lol , I would want to go there to see why lol

Ah ... Well done Willem. You were the moderating response to a bagging post. See.. that's how it should be done. A bad wrap followed by others putting both sides. I like it.

I agree re Gulf Country Van Park....Very helpful ever smiling staff. Shame it's so far for me to drive.

I'd go along with that. There are always 2 sides of the story, so like you said, simply report the facts.

I agree with you on this one. To be forwarned is to be forarmed. Information is a useful tool and it should be just that! We all have good and bad experiences and I know I have shared some of mine here previously. I hope we do this to keep our EO buddies informed so that if they should head in the same direction they can make up their own mind but act accordingly.

Kind regards