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Just a little snippet that is very pertinent to current events

Camp Fires

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Reply By: GOB & denny vic member - Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 20:02

Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 20:02
goodday gramps
theres one born everyday isnt there
must have been behind the kitchen door when the brains were being handed around

steve

ps wouldnt be game to say anything about croweaters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 20:22

Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 20:22
No you better not

Then again what about that Victorian lady who burnt the toilet paper not so long ago...hahahahahaha....and statred a bushfire!
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 00:39

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 00:39
Steve,

Yep they're a touchy lot over there. Something to do with the lack of humidity and their diet :)))))
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Reply By: Bros 1 - Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 21:17

Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 21:17
Gramps,
Must be a Mexican thing.
Cheers,
Bros.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 22:19

Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 22:19
What! you mean you guys haven't learnt about fire yet. I knew you were slow but that's ridiculous :)
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 00:41

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 00:41
Bros,

Yep, they're even Mexicans to me as well :)))) Not good for you, living that close to the South Pole. We all know about Tasmanians LOLOLOL
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Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 22:13

Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 22:13
So who got charged for burning down Wilson's Promentary??
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 00:43

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 00:43
Come on Shaker. That was a planned, controlled burn :))))
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:03

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:03
I concur gramps, same as the Grampians currently, they should have been doing that for years
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:21

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:21
From the link:
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The department's north-west region fire and emergency management acting manager Rob Price says campfires should not be lit on total fire ban days.

"Campers need to ensure that they are listening to the radio, listening to the ABC whether a TFB [total fire ban] is in their area that they are camping
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Oh should they?

I'll e-mail Mr Price and ask him at exactly what time I should be listening to the radio.

About 4 years ago I had one hell of a game (over one week) trying to establish if there was a TFB in force or not from listening to the radio in Victoria. There is (was) no standard time that the ABC announce this. It _may_ be at the start of the 6pm news, it _may_ be at the end of the 6pm news or it may not be on the 6pm news at all. Likewise for all other news broadcasts both that evening and the next morning. In other words you have to try and remember to catch all of every news broadcast from 6pm until about 10am the following morning until you find out.
Which is just bloody silly.

I have contacted both the ABC and CFA in regard to this and they both said "It is broadcast at some point - we'll look into it".

This is not rocket science - but a TFB is such an important thing that there should be a standard time for it's broadcast - perhaps just before the weather forecast at the end of every news bulletin from 6pm the day before through to 11pm on the day of TFB. It would also be helpful if at a standard time they gave a rundown on the area covered by particular "fire districts".

Why is it so hard to make small, simple, obvious things happen?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:44

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:44
Good point Mike.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:10

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:10
I think if the conditions are such that we are wondering if there is a Total Fire Ban, we should err on the side of caution & not light a camp fire.
Or is that too logical?
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:18

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:18
You're right Shaker but unfortunately it seems some who venture into the great outdoors are not what you would call logical or blessed with a great deal of commonsense. In fact, some of them make rocks seem like geniuses :)))
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:46

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:46
>I think if the conditions are such that we are wondering
>if there is a Total Fire Ban, we should err on the side of
>caution & not light a camp fire.
>Or is that too logical?

The logic is impeccable but the statement is utterly irrelevant to the point I was making.

If we are going to have a legal and advisory condition called a Total Fire Ban then it must be announced to people in a consistent, accessible and clear manner otherwise there is no point in having one and we might just as well say "If you think conditions are a bit dodgy don't light camp fires".

Remember also that a TFB is not just about fires, if you're bush camping or caravanning then you shouldn't be boiling the kettle on your gas stove for a cup of tea in the morning either - officially.

Mike Harding

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 14:35

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 14:35
AFAIK the ABC notify of TFB at every news bulletin.
I am also aware that gas stoves, bbqs, angle grinders & cahin saws are not able to be used.
But, as I said before, common sense should prevail & we shouldn't need a TFB to prevent us lighting fires.
I was in Traralgon today, less than 20km from the Erica fires & people were throwing lit cigarettes out of car windows.
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 15:19

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 15:19
The ABC (ABC Local Radio) has got a lot more serious about their "status" as "The Emergency Radio Station", so much so, that they didn't broadcast the cricket on ABC Local Radio in Victoria (774) because of their repeated broadcasts of pretty much the same information about the fires on Thursday.

Mind you you could easily get bored with the mindless repitition.

They probably do have a policy now, because they have a policy for everything at the ABC! I certainly seem to hear it often enough.

Ciao for now
Andrew is regularly heard on ABC 891 talking about photography.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 15:45

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 15:45
I can assure that being only around 4 kms from the fire front, we didn't get bored with the ABCs fire status updates.
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 15:53

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 15:53
Hi there Shaker,

I hope you came through fine.

Was the content of the broadcasts up to date and useful? Hearing the same material for a few hours at a time made me wonder.

Did you go to the community meet - and was it useful?

Ciao for now
Andrew who thinks a lot of the information should be presented online and to mobiles with maps (as well)
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 18:03

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 18:03
Yes, we found the fire coverage invaluable, you must remember that we coudn't be listening 24/7 as we had to clear flammables, set up water points, slash the paddocks & even fit a roof sprinkler system, so it was good to be able to get up to date info whenever we were able to spare a few minutes to listen.
We did go to most of the community meetings & to some degree found them useful, although some of the residents questions left me wondering, such as ....... will our rubbish still be collected?

Other than some minor ember attack, we had no real problems, thank you for asking.
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter S (NSW) - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 11:00

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 11:00
On the night of December 29th, 2005 on our way from Wrattonbully to Newcastle we camped near Torrumbarry Weir on the Murray not far from Echuca. It had been 42C that day. Listening to the ABC on the way over there were continual warnings about the total fire bans and advice not to use equipment which could cause sparks eg chainsaws, whipper snippers etc.

After making camp in a crowded area, a ute with 4 guys pulled up (a stubby of beer in each hand), took out 3 chainsaws and got to work cutting up a load of firewood (in a State Forest). They then move off about 100 metres away and lit a big campfire around which they sat, got bleep , played boom boom music until 3:00am in the morning until someone got the courage to take them on.

What idiots! However I am not the hero type and wasn't prepared to take them on.

Peter
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 18:23

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 18:23
I do think there are certain people once should be allowed to shoot - I mean... you would have to give them fair warning first and a chance to correct their stupidity but... at the end of the day one has to be cruel to be kind... and the moron population could do with a little culling at the moment... call it harsh if you will but I often think it has merit....

Mike Harding
(Not totally tounge in cheek)
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Follow Up By: gramps - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 18:27

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 18:27
Yep, I really don't see what people have against improving the gene pool :)))
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