Damn Tyre Fitters Pt2 - The verdict so far

Submitted: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 19:43
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Just got my MtR back and they tried to tell me no worries all done no charge but i kept pumping them. They were a bit reluctant to talk but i got out of them]
-It had no puncture
- They pulled the tube out and fitted a tubeless valve and coated it with sealer and it blew up with no discernable leaks when put in a tank
- the tube was not of a type that they use.
- the rim damage was nothing like what may cause a leak
I can only assume that I do know that rim had a tube when i took it in there to get the MTR fitted from a previos flat when running Toyos and they just left the tube in there. This is even more bizzare coz this rim had a flat when i went in ther to get the MTR fitted
I really wasnt expecting much of an answer and i didnt get one except it seems the MTR probably was not at fault
BTW the tube had a 30cm tear in it except it didnt look like a tear just like a knife had cut it but not along a seam
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Reply By: Eddy - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 20:22

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 20:22
Davoe.

Was the new tyre a tubeless or tube type?
There is a difference.
Tubes should not really be fitted to tubeless tyres.
Can cause the tube to fold & pinch just like the tear you described.
No expert, just worked as a tyre fitter 30 years ago. (done a lot of jobs!)

Eddy
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 20:47

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 20:47
Thiswas a follow up to a post I made of the same name I think it is on page 2 now. They aretubeless tyres with about 500km on them the one that went flat had a tube in it. The Boss at the tyre store was at a loss to explain why a tube was fitted with a brand new tyre the other 3 were fitted tubeless
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Follow Up By: Ken - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:06

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:06
Davoe, Further to the question was it a tubeless type trye did it have any stickers inside it ? I had some BFG's, tubeless type, incorrectly fitted with tubes and the rubbing of the tube on the edge of the plastic sticker cut through the tube to about 3/4 of this thickness and naturally the air got out!
Hard to explain how 3 got fitted without and one with though.

Ken
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:32

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:32
Davoe, have you ever actually seen the damage that you sugest say can be caused by fitting a tube to a tubeless tyre ?

I have always used tubes in tubeless tyres so that I can run very low pressures and if I break a bead I can just pump up the tube to get home.

I have never had or heard of anyone actually ever having the trouble you sugest. I have however heard lots of people say the same as you - that it should not be done !
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:44

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:44
Ken i dont know if it had stickers inside
Kiwi. I am not saying it is that much of a bad thing but a fairly pontless thing especially considering a ran 5psi on the beach my last trip to clear a difficult cutting and the only tyre i ran off the rim was the one with a tube and once again this trip the tyre with the drama was the one with the tube. there was no indication of any problem with the setup except the pointless tube that was fitted - failed
Tubes are for split rims in conjunction with crossply tryres not radials on one peice rims
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 22:59

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 22:59
The only sticker I noticed on it was on the bead near the valve. There were no stickers on the inner tube and I didnt notice any inside the tyre.

Bloody lucky the beads held and the air only escaped thru the valve hole and didnt get blown out, especially on a dirt road could have been nasty. Good to hear you got it sorted and were not out of pocket.
Bloody apprentices.
I'm still mystified why the tube was so damn hot compared to the rest of the tyre.

Looks like the MT/Rs still hold their name.

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Reply By: Exploder - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:04

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:04
My guess is that when the tyre monkey changed the tyres over and came across the tube in one rim he just assumed it was there as there was a issue with that rim, Rather than checking the rim out properly or asking the owner of the rim about it I.E you, he simply installed the new tyre with the a tube and moved on.

What do you think, Plausible or BS
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:48

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 21:48
Thats what I am thinking. i cant say for sure but I think the tube may have been fitted by another slack tyre fitter instead of finding a small puncture not due to an issue with the rim
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 22:25

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 22:25
Davoe, I can't see how a tube with almost no air in it is going to help or hinder a tyre from de-beading. I do not use tubes as bead lockers but to be able to be re-inflated with a small air pump to hold the tyre in place if a bead breaks. Re-beading is almost impossible without a good volume of air so if you are not carrying a dive bottle etc. a small battery powered pump can be used with the tube. I don't want to try the Icelandic trick with lighter fluid !!
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 22:51

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 22:51
Just my experience I am not saying it is good or bad to run tubes in one pieces if it works for your application fine but the reason for the post was coz i was annoyed that the tyre place had put a tube into a perfectly good tyre which subsequently failed and being on the front on dirt at 100kph could well have had a bad ending.
I couldnt re inflate the tyre with the tube that rolled off the rim coz it spun and lost the valve internally. It would have been more work to sort it all out than just change the tyre
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 00:57

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 00:57
Hi Davoe

"Tubes are for split rims in conjunction with crossply tryres not radials on one peice rims"

My Troopy is on split with tube on radial tyres "stamped Tubeless" standard fittment.

Like kiwi I know of people who will run tubes in tubeless tyres on solid rim so they will go flate and not stuff the tyre.

Richard

I did read the last post, and its not good getting what you didn't pay for
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