"Chinese" 9500lb winches - owners comments wanted

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 19:26
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4wheelingSA magazine is doing a tech article on the 9500lb "chinese" winches. Full strip down and inspection (electrical and mechanical) followed by some serious attempts at killing it. We are also testing it for temp, time and amps back to back against a Warn 9500i.

I would like to include some feedback from owners of these winches. A few paragraphs on what you have done with it, what has broken/failed, how long you've had it and whether you are happy with it. Some pics of either the winch being used or just the front of your vehicle would be good too.

If you're interested in contributing send a few words (Microsoft Word preferred) and photos and your name to fourwheelingsa@optusnet.com.au

Like our previous front vs rear difflock test and IPF Fatboy globe tests its just regular 4WDers thoroughly testing products that they have bought. No commercial bias, influence or agenda.

Thanks in advance
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Reply By: desert - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:24

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:24
Should be an interesting read. Will settle the rumour that Warn are chinese sourced anyway. Perhaps the same factory?
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 16:55

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 16:55
Warn winches are made in the good ol' USA.
This article is about testing the item not commenting on the source.
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Reply By: Vivid Adventures - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:26

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:26
Hi there Andrew,

I'll be fitting a Chinese 12000lb'er in the next few weeks.

I look forward to companing notes!

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 16:57

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 16:57
Mag comes out every 3 months and we will be continuing to test and write up about the winches for at least 12 months. A lesser period would be inconclusive and meaningless. Give yours a go and then send me some feedback for a later edition.
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Reply By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:47

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:47
check out the review in 4wd monthly a while back and the chinese winches got a great write up with the 9500 breaking their test bed!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:55

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:55
Yes, but that was static testing. The winch didnt stall which is actually a bad thing.

We are "real world" testing this winch including repeated dunkings followed by winching and other tests.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:59

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:59
but someone like brawn pull them appart and water proof them so it will be hard to compare chinese apples with apples ;-)

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:03

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:03
Brawn 4x4 dont exist anymore.
I think ebay and Repco killed their market.
Repco had these winches for $699 with a 3year warranty and we bought our test winch on ebay for under $400. pretty hard to compete with that.
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:36

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:36
Andrew,
Have you pulled it apart yet.
Is it the one with pop rivets holding the planetry gears together scarey stuff!!
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Follow Up By: Haza - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 22:41

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 22:41
I was last told Brawn 4x4 do still sell there winch but have closed their workshop.
Though I stand to be corrected????
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 22:48

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 22:48
Colin is still around and may be doing stuff from home but Brawn4x4 went into administration.
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Reply By: ACDC - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:56

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 20:56
Which chinese winch there must be at least 3 or 4 different factories making them now!
Where's Chump boy he's the chinese winch specialist??
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Follow Up By: chump_boy - Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 09:53

Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 09:53
ACDC - thanks for the promo.

I'm tending not to respond to these questions now, as everyone knows I sell them. My opinion would be seen to be a bit too biased to be any good. Don't want to look like Bill S now, do I?....lol

Besides, we may not be selling them for too much longer - Repco and eBay are killing the market for smaller shops like ours. Once we land them here, insure them, brand them, test a few, etc... they are just becoming very cost ineffective.

We were one of the first to start selling these things on eBay - back when the Chinese winches had a bad name. Look where we are at now..... Prices have almost halved, and people are seeing them as a viable alternative to the overpriced units! I mean - if something pulls at 12,000lb, does it really matter what the sticker says?

Our last 4 are on ebay now - we'll see how they go, and make a decision after that.

We'll try importing some other stuff next - i know 4' Aust. Std. Hi-Lift Jacks are overpriced by a good 40% or so....... Might try them next. Just don't know at this stage......

Cheers,

Chump
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 19:20

Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 19:20
Yeep good old Repco know how to stuff up a market place!!
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Follow Up By: chump_boy - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 08:22

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 08:22
LOL - i say good luck to them!

I've had my fun, and it's time to move on.....
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:09

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:09
All tests aside, it's the owners manual that would worry me...

IF STUCK YOU ARE HOOK CABLE ONTO OTHER STUCK AND PRESS GREEN SWITCH WHILE HOLDING GREEN BUTTON

IF STUCK MOVE AND YOU NOT THEN FIND NEW STUCK

You get the picture....

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:12

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:12
The manual is actually very good with the one we bought.
Written by someone with good knowledge of winches and winching. English as a first language too! LOL
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:17

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:17
No Experience of a Chinese winch but enough of Warn 10,000p
It would struggle to pull a greasy chop of a plate and yes it has been pulled down and checked out with some new parts - Gimmie a Hi lift any day
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:24

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:24
The power!! of advertising!! and guess who pays for it..
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:52

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 21:52
Hi Andrew

A tad technically challenged when it comes to winches but I have had a BRAWN 9500 for three years now.

It was fitted to old Rosie the G60 and I did a few commercial winch jobs for people wanting to load cars on trailers. I then transferred it to the GQ but it was a tight fit on to the ARB winch bar which is designed to accommodate WARN winches only.

Last year my mate had a mega bog at Israelite Bay with his GU and the Brawn pulled him out without a glitch.

I run my BRAWN off the main battery, have the engine on fast idle when winching and have had no problems. These winches have had extra sealing against water ingress done to them after they had been imported. That is a particular failing I had experienced with 4 WARN winches over the years. They took in water and eventually rusted the gears inside.

You can use this in your article if you wish and I will email you some pics.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 22:12

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 22:12
Thanks Willem
Thats the reason for the article. Buy a 9500lb chinese winch on ebay for $400 or buy a 9500lb Warn for $2100. Neither are waterproof and both will die if not used and maintained regularly. I want to know if the Warn is worth the extra $ and if the chinese can be relied oin when you really need it.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 22:40

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 22:40
My winch cost $1200, which, for what it is, is a reasonable price and whereas I feel that the WARN may be a tad overpriced
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Reply By: Redeye - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 09:02

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 09:02
Andrew,

I have a REPCO 9500lb winch which is in for repair. The B thing kept sending the battery flat. I was drawing 3.8 amps constantly. Was two months old when went faulty on Fraser.

Also when purchased the add said 5 years warranty. I note the latest add from repco said 3 years. I have kept the original add.

Redeye
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Reply By: AndrewW - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 12:44

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 12:44
Andrew,

Very much look forwards to reading your article. I can't quite justify $2000 plus, but installed for under $1K is very doable.

Andrew
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Reply By: Hero - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 16:44

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 16:44
Should be an interesting read, but how can you catagorise each brand winch, if you say one winch is good or bad, does that nesassarily apply to the other chinese brand.
surely not, they all have subtle differences and do come out of different factories. Even a single brand of winch can improve quality over a period of months due to development, as with any product.
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 16:52

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 16:52
We actually have 2 "chinese" winches to test. One purchased from ebay and one from a 4WD equipment supplier that has them built to their requirements.

The idea of the testing is to see if they are a good winch and test their durability. Its about giving potential buyers more info. Thats all any test can do.
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Follow Up By: Member JD- Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 17:46

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 17:46
I have recently purchased a chineses winch,12000 pds, I havent had a chance to test it out properly yet but in the coming months I will be testing it out thouroghtly by experienced 4WDers with 20 years plus experience...as i have stated before on Exploroz I will post a unbiased opinion on this winch..pictures of how we used it,how it performed.I have pictures of the installation which I done myself which bolted strait onto an ARB winch bar,all I had to do was rotate the clutch which I confered with my suplier on how to do,wired it up as instructions and pre trensioned the cable as per instructions...I did have to slightly file the fairlead mount hole which only took about 10 minutes.....so far so good....in the coming weeks...well I'll find out !. I might ad thought I have not got a negative atitude towards this winch I just need to find out the good or the bad before warranty runs out!! .Before I brought my winch I posted on Exploroz to get a clear picture across the board of winches in general...and it was the comment of one poster that promted me to go chinese..anyone interested in reading the information,go to the search bar and type in( which winch).Hope this helps.
JD
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Follow Up By: Member JD- Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 20:37

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 20:37
sorry type in post ID:28358.
JD
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 19:07

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 19:07
Andrew....

I'm willing to bolt one to my GQ and test it for a tourer's opinion over the next, say, 2-3 years??? ;-))

Just tell me where you're freighting it to me at and I'll even pay for the install!!

And send some stickers for my truck while you're at it and I'll advertise your mag as well!!

Scouts Honour!!!
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:16

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:16
Nice try Brian. I bought the ebay one with my own $$$
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 07:30

Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 07:30
LOL...... nothing ventured, nothing gained!
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:03

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:03
I bought one of the Repco $699 jobbies to fit to my 05 Hilux with ARB winch bar. I've never fitted a winch before and I might be nuts. But there was no way I could get the winch in without removing the bull bar. It was just too big (or the hole under the bar too small). After lots of trying, swearing and measuring I took it back and got my money back.

Bugger. If I want a winch, it looks like it is $2,000 for a Warn. It will have to wait a while.
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:14

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:14
Norm
Are you saying it wouldnt fit in the space behind the bar or it wouldnt fit through the gap?
If its the latter, then remove bar, fit winch to bar then reinstall the bar. Quite common with ARB bars.
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:21

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:21
Norm

Good luck finding a winch that you will be able to mount with the bar on the vehicle. Spending more money wont help.

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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:36

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:36
The latter Andrew. Having not installed a winch before and being alone at the time, I decided taking the bar off was just a bit too much. Particularly since it had been on for just a few weeks (installed by ARB).

If you and Crazie are right (have to remove bar to get any winch on), I'll learn as I go; get some help next time and do it. Might wait for the review mentioned on this thread though to see if the Chinese winches are the one to go for. Warn would need to be very good to pay $2,000, compared to $699.
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Follow Up By: Member JD- Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:50

Wednesday, Feb 01, 2006 at 21:50
I mounted my winch with the bar on the truck,althought I had to remove thr the bash plate,definately a two man job...and they to mount up in reverse order, to how you would think to mount it..by this I mean temp bolts to hold it in place while you make room to get the bolts you have to address first.....GU ST Patrol with an ARB roo bar..for the sake of a handfull more bolts to remove....so close but no cigar, my experience with mounting my own.
JD
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 20:55

Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 20:55
JD,
I've managed to install and remove (for servicing) my Warn XD 9000 a few times. It is a prick of a job and the first time I removed it I almost crushed my chest when I lost the balance of it. It would be a lot easier if I had one of those mini scissor trolleys to raise and lower the bloody thing. It's a case of laying on your back, holding it up with one hand and using the other hand to get the 1st bolt in place. On reflection
it would probably be much easier if the cable was removed first up too. I ended up taking the solenoid box away from the neat little "W" cut-out in the front of the bullbar, as it was just too much of a PITA to have to remove the winch evry time I needed to get at the box to spray a bit of WD40 into it.
Cheers
Roachie
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