Range Rover ...... 4WD of The Year

LOL!!!

I think you will find it was a Disovery3 not the Range Rover I notice the Landcruiser broke its front diff and came last out of 7 vehicles Surely that must tell toyota there really is a problem. Cheers Rob

Well said gramps lol

Yep the LC has sccoed badly, particularly since the 100 series IFS came on the scene

But.. but... IFS is the way of the future in Offroading..

Its awesome, foolproof, doesnt break, is cheap and easy to modify...

Im drunk again.

Rob, it definitely is the Range Rover. It's the 4X4 Australia magazine 4x4 of the year 2006, March 2006 edition.

"Only genuine off-roaders (equipped with Low-Range) that were new or significantly upgraded during 2005 were eligible"

It was $80,000.00, I expect it wouldn't be hard to get a Landcruiser up to that.

ok then make that 1 1/4 of the price and I might get interested. What i am saying is I have little intrest in which new car wins what wheather it be jap, pommy, korean or intian (Tata??) but I have a an intrest in the 2nd hand 4by market

Shaker!!! A Turbo diesel Cruiser GXL with a leather bound gear knob is about $80,000.. Michael

Well actually nearly every major mag in the world has voted the RR Sport or the Discovery 3, 4WDOTY.

$80,000.00? & you obviously have no experience of the RR capabilities off road.

Geez Darren, surely you're not suggesting that the LandRover Discovery is inferior in its "offroadability" in comparison to the Patrol and Lancruiser, are you? And last time I checked the three were within cooee of each other with regard to recommended retail price, albeit the Patrol is slightly cheaper.

$80,000 after haggling on the price and then adding a few accessories I would humbly suggest, Paul.

Wombat, no way - havent got the experience to comment on any of the rovers although clearly they are more technologically advanced than Patrol & Landcruiser who will probably follow suit in a couple of years....

Just thought it would be interesting to see how the Rovers stack up against the usual suspects a few years down the track once they have done a few ks. I think that would give a useful comparison of the their reliability etc....just an idea

PS - I also thought that the Discovery model that won last year was about 80k - its only the recent lower spec model thats on a par with the other two and I note that didnt fair quite so well this year....

Garry ,
Do you ever feel that everyone is staring at you ? Are they all out to get you ? Are they conspiring against you .
I bet it's all those "Jap lovers" and " Nip Lovers " - what a bunch of creeps , eh Garry ?
Have a nice day ,
Willie .

Shaker - I share your sendiments but the reality is that new vehicles have to meet pollution and fuel consumption requirements and the only way to do that is with the electronics. The only other option at the moment would be to not have 4wds or use old polluting ones.

I cannot see makers putting in expensive electronics if they didn't have too.

Garry

yeah, should've stuck to the ole horse & cart shouldn't we?

The Japs'll all be round the drawing board frantically trying to do a cheapo version. I suppose it depends on your needs. Having had a couple of Landrovers and a couple of cruisers (which I now have) I'll be going back to the Landrover. For me a far more enjoyable car to drive. That's what it's about isn't it? As for reliability, I never had any problem with either L/R. The early Discos had problems and a few with the early MKII Rangies. Mud sticks and some will never give it a rest. Their problem.

So Nissan dont even have a dvd player??

Probably luck then that nissan owners never have to wait for the brakedown road service then eh. :-))

Avagoodn
Pezza

They don’t have time to wait, they are all too busy trying to catch up to all the landies that have left them behind.

As usual.

Except when a hole has developed in a piston - and the motor - she no work anymore

woops stuffed up the link (as usual)
Overlander 4WDOTY

yeah I knew that ...will get the links right eventually
Is this the right one?

Cheers
Greg

The Rover line up may do their off road job well but i think they would be a nightmare if some of the electronics go wrong when you least need them to. They have so many traction, uphill, descent and miles of other stuff... I guess thats why i will get my 3rd consecutive Nissan 4.2tdi in a few months.. Nissan may not be real flash but relatively simple and good resale value. Michael

what is this SUV bleep ? none of them are utes.

ev700,

Why is it that the Medium and Luxury categories both have more contestants (i.e. the sales figures don't add up to 100%) whereas the Large category seems to only have 3 choices (i.e. adds up to 100% neat) ? Surely there are more than just those three :)))

Am I getting sarcastic here or did Land rover and bmw just pump more advertising dollars into the magazines and sent the jounro's more gifts??

I'd love lave to see the advertising breakdown figures...

LOL MX5 car of the year again for a 2 seat soft top and its over 40 k.
Just the car the ozi family needs.....

LOL... Sarcastic Shads?? NEVER! Honest!

gramps

That is how the RACQ displayed them.
Maybe there are many vehicles in some categories with small market shares and hence are not shown.

That doesn't clarify the original post. The original post was a sledge : )

And it doesn't explain why the results of Car of the Year Awards are so often at odds with the buying preferences of the public.

What makes the journos right and the buying public wrong?

As Professor Julius Sumner Miller used to say: "Why is it so?" : )

I disagree, it does clarify the original post, several people thought it was the Disco 3 that won.

As for the rest of your follow up ......... fiik

All I did was post the result, as curiously no one else had, as far as it being a sledge, I think I also mentioned mentioned that I own a Japanese 4WD.

I think toohey hit the nail on the head with his reply!

Land Rovers were good, are good & probably always will be good, & before you mention problems, read the posts here about Japanese 4WD problems.

OK, the Landrover owners did not introduce/post on the subject either, so why stiff the 'Jap' fourby owners?

I'm not into product jealousy, they are all just cars.

I don't know why Landrovers don't sell, but then again many apparently reasonable vehicles flop in the market place.

However I do not think it is adequate for a magazine to post results that are at odds with buying preferences in the marketplace without some reasoning as to the whys and wherefores of that circumstance.

Otherwise people will see the results as irrelevant and possibly misleading. That is why some people yawn at COTY results.

A search of the Exploroz archives will show that there is some questioning of the quality, independence and relevance of reviews and tests done by four wheel drive magazines and by motoring journalists generally.

Discussion by journalists of obvious discrepancies with national sales data (buying preferences) might in this case go some way towards assisting the credibility of awards such as the COTY.

ev700, you have totally missed the point.

This is not about which is the biggest selling 4x4, you can get those figures every month.

The aim of best 4x4 for the previous year is based on comparing all the new models released and showing which was the most superior not which won sold the most.

You go on about the results being “ irrelevant and possibly misleading “, you could find anything more irrelevant and misleading than the current toy ad that says that if you get bitten by a snake your toy will take you home.

RIGHT, that’s if it doesn’t run out of fuel or the front diff doesn’t stuff up and so on.

Maybe you would like to see the mags print an article based on the 4x4 with the most failures. I can pretty well assure now days it WON’T be an LR. over the last couple of years toyota have been having some major problems with vehicles and nissan haven’t faired much better.

Try reading the article for what it is.

Drivesafe..
Do you have any idea HONESTLY?

Remember the BMW X5 4WDOTY?? Go and re-read it....

The thing was EXEMPT from parts of the test, yet still wins.. How? It couldnt even complete the testing. It was not designed to do this and that, yet it beats others that ARE designed for all round.

Think about it.. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Its got nothing to do with whats good/capable or anything

Mate at BMW in Brighton had their signs already made and ready to go up in the windows a week before it was announced.

drivesafe

You misrepresent what I am saying. I am not criticising any particular make.

You asked me to read the article and now I am asking you to be clear about the criteria for the 4WDOTY:

- 4WDOTY is not about the 'best' vehicle, it is about change and innovation; and

- Even then it includes only those vehicles made available for testing.

However, even if I accept your (wrong) claim that the 4WDOTY selects the best vehicle, their definition of 'best' is not that of the buying public and that ought to be discussed.

Again I ask: "What makes the journos right and the buying public wrong?"

Are their 'world views' so different?

ev700

"I don't know why Landrovers don't sell, but then again many apparently reasonable vehicles flop in the market place."

ev700, you should ask your guide dog how many Dicos there are on the road, before you make that sort of statement.

Shaker

The figures I gave are from RACQ's Road Ahead magazine December 2005-January 2006 and their source is quoted.

I don't know how many Discos were sold but there were obviously not enough to be included on RACQ's list.

For comparison, The Mitsubishi Pajero (third place getter in total sales) sold 1751 units in Queensland in 2005 and this represented 13.6% of SUV Medium sales. Because Land Rover was not listed it would have sold fewer units than Pajero.

If you say that Land Rover should be in the SUV Large category, the third place getter for sales was Ford Explorer which sold 63 units or 1.3% of the total.

The figures speak for themselves.

DittO

Our old Hilux has a similar storey line and still going strong.

Having said that, we would love to be able to buy a new vehicle, (What sort? we don't know) ,But then we wouldn't have any money left to go anywhere.

The thing about being a bit older and slower , is that you've always got a clear road in front of you. ;)

Cheers

Sales figures indicate something about value for money and suitability to the buying public though.

Would a Rolls Royce win a COTY award? Probably not. Because it would be disqualified if there hadn't been a lot of recent changes to it.

That is a pre-requisite for consideration, I think.

EV700

Hi Duncs, if you haven’t already done so, go take a D3 for a test drive.

I have a 2003 Range Rover and a 2005 D3 and although, in physical size, the Range Rover is probably the largest 4x4 on the road in Australia, the space inside has been devoted to the passengers so it’s really not a pack mule but the D3 has heaps more luggage room than the Range and just recently I had relos up for a visit and we used the D3 as a 7 seater and the two guys in the back row were both over 6 foot and still had plenty of room.

The RRS should have been a two door coupe, there really isn’t all that much room in them.

But it’s horses for courses.

Cheers.

All that sales figures prove is that there are a lot of people with blinkers on that don't bother to look beyond the "Big Two". If they did they might realise how far off the pace the Big Two are.

Stephen.

StephenF10,

Do you honestly think the majority of buyers are fools with blinkers on?

Just a little big headed of you I think, or do you own a Land/Range Rover and think you have to justify it? Why? Does it really matter what other people think of your chosen vehicle?

If the damn thing suits your purposes who gives a stuff what others think :)))))

Gramps, I wouldn’t definitely not call them fools but we all go round with blinkers on for one reason or another. If we didn’t, no one would buy a Toyota 4x4.

This is not an LR is better than Toyo argument, it’s a case of people do buy because of reasons that have absolutely no barring on the product they are buying or why they are buy a specific product.

Why do most people buy Toyotas, because their mates have them, or they believe the ads or because it looked good or just because the toyota dealer was the closest. Who knows but if you were specifically looking for a good on road and off road 4x4, in reality, Toyotas would be one of the last to look at.

They are fuel guzzling, waddling sludge boxes on road and to make them anything worthwhile off road you have to spend a fortune on it after you but them.

Up until a few years ago, I would have been the first to acknowledge that one of Toyotas most powerful advantages was it’s reliability, that’s no long the case and if Toyota does not dramatically improve it’s game, it will have a poorer name for reliability than LR ever had.

Toyota does not make particularly good 4x4s, they do make good 4x4 ads and thats why there are so many of them on the road. Toyota knows how to get the consumer’s attention.

The irony is that, whether you think LRs are any good or not, LR would not know what a good ad was if it jumped up and bit them on the butt.

People have always shopped with blinkers on and not just for 4x4s. A perfect example is the battle that was waged over VHS and Beta video tape systems. 20 years after the battle was won buy VHS, any professional that you talk to will tell you the the Beta system is still far superior to VHS but Panasonic won the battle by producing good ads not by producing a superior product and as I bought VHS I’m as guilty as everybody else.

People most certainly do go around with blinkers on.

Drivesafe,

I don't have any real leaning to any particular make of vehicle whatsoever. As long as whatever I buy suits my purposes I'm happy.

It just amuses me that some posters get so worked up trying to vindicate their choice. Why? I can only put it down to the eternal male bleep contest LOLOL

ROTFLMAO!!!

I couldnt have said it better, but you forgot, that these magazines rely on $$ from advertising, and they usually end up with a "LONG TERM TEST VEHICLE" from the winners...

"These results are are only to draw in the suckers who are naive enough to believe that the 4wd magazine's in this country have credibility."
HYCLONES! lol

Hi John & Truckster,
You both have hit the nail on the head.
All the 4wd mags appear to be advertorials for two particular makes.

Guess what???

Neither of them is Land-Rover

I'll leave you to guess what they are, but to help you work it out
one starts with an "N" and the other starts with a "T"

Actually John and Truckster, up until a few years ago, that was exactly the way the Australian mags based the yearly awards.

The problem now is that the LR products are just so superior to anything else that the mags could now longer keep lying about them.

When vehicles are so far ahead of ALL the opposition like the LRs are now days, the mags had the stick to the truth if they were to keep even the slightest bit of credibility.

But then again I’m biased, UNLIKE YOU PAIR.

Would you like a tissue drive safe?

Remember... the P76 was also car of the year once...

ROTFLMAO!

Yes Truckster, I would love one, to wipe away the tears of joy at watching Land Rovers thrashing all comers.

What colour are your eyes, green I think.

Reputations sell cars.
Do the Miners run around in L rovers and Rangies?
Did a Rangie help build the snowy scheme?
Why dont you see many Euro cars in the Outback?

They are not suited to our harsh enviornment. The are suited to the enviornment in which they originate, for which they are perfectly ok. Nice cars to Drive.
As a wholesaler/valuer, I totally cringe when I see one pull up in the Driveway, try finding a Car Dealer that wants to take one on.

Green eyes.. ROTFLMAO! You have no idea how wrong you could be..

Overpriced pretty Dr's car.. nothing more really.

Also how good is the resale on them LOL!!!

My comments were directed at the magazines not at the respective manufactures. In this instance Land Rover.

I ask the question again, if the system was not biased then why does one magazine supposedly vote one brand/model and the other mags vote someone else?
Can all you LR supporters answer that question?

If the testing was done by one independent body on all vehicles without exception and all the magazines supported that one test and printed the results then we may form a different view.

I am not knocking LR or any other brand or model vehicle for that matter, I'm not in anyway qualified to much such comments as I have not driven every brand of 4wd on the market.
I rely on other information available such as the personal experience of other people when forming an opinion, IE when the mechanics at Birdsville Auto tell me the number one vehicle that they have to recover from the Simpson Desert year in year out is one particular brand then I would think it would be prudent to listen.
After all they are not selling the car and so would be what I would regard as pretty unbiased.
I also rely on owners own experience, so when the President of the Victorian 4wd Association writes in the Spring 2005 issue of "Trackwatch" which is the Associations Magazine, that in his "Brand New" 4wd whilst on the Canning blew not one but three shockers then I take some note, guess what brand/model 4wd he drives?

I also rely on other factors when making a decision about the type of vehicle I drive such as if I do break down in a remote area of Aus then will I be able to get parts easily or will I be stranded for a long period whilst waiting for those parts to arrive. This I see is probably the biggest concern I have with obscure brands of European and American 4wd's, simply no parts outside of major capitals.

I always laugh at the way people on here seem hell bent on justifying their personal choice of car, It reminds me of the school yard arguments of Ford V Holden we used to have. LOL.

In the end its your money, your life and your choice and you will have to live with it right or wrong.

John my sling was at the mags as well but I do like the stir the pot when it comes to discussions about LRs and as you can see, I get some good bites.

As I posted, it’s horses for courses and honestly, who gives a damn anyway.

Cheers mate.

This bright-spark about the one with the most advertising wins is neither original or true. The same people trotted out this argument when they did the tyre comparo a couple of months ago. They couldn't be bothered checking their facts, but had they done so, would've seen that winners of the test, Pirelli Scorpion did nowhere near the advertising of the other main competitors.

As for the public getting it right and the journos not knowing what they're talking about; first of all they weren't just journos doing the testing and secondly, the public are usually led by the nose (yes, by journos) you'll probably find the gap will close in the sales figures as well. There are already far mor Discos, in particular on the road than there were a few years back. And most 4bys are school buses. So the biggest and most affordable is going to be the big seller. Same reason Commodore and Falcon have been. It's certainly not their their quality.

Steve you may find that the answer will be found in the future advertising contracts that were negotiated at the time that the various manufactures were approached to supply vehicles for the tests.
Note!In my opinion that there now seems to be a defined increase in Pirelli Advertising in certain magazines since those results have been released.

You still did not answer the question that I posed.
If the system was not biased then why does one magazine supposedly vote one brand/model and the other mags vote someone else?"

If the winner was as good as claimed then surely the respected journalists of the opposing mag would find the same results, Or are you perhaps suggesting that they may not have the same rigorous test profile or the same level of personal experience as the competitor mag?

Oh yeah! I never claimed it to be original, but from my 25 years in business don't doubt for an instance that it's true.

Or are you going to perhaps suggest that Coles and Woolies provides Coca Cola with the premier shelf space in the supermarket because Coke is such a wonderful brand, that they thought they should give it top billing or could it just be possible that Coke have paid for that premier shelf space?

As I said in my last line of this post....
To the educated buyer these results would mean nothing.

Now, Now John. Don't introduce quality merchandise like Coke into this discussion. It would be a very lopsided win to Coke LOLOLOL

Why do the different mags come up with different winners???
Maybe it is because they have different criteria when judging!!
Just because vehicle "T" sells more than vehicle "N" doesnt make it the best.

If my memory is correct, the main reason Theiss used those "Toy" things on the Snowy was because they were not able to obtain sufficient land rovers. Apart from that, Theiss were importers of the original yota's and probably saw the marketing opportunities involved.

Strange you might say that. Have a scroll down this page of 'lemons' and see the photo advertisement. Priceless.

http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspx?id=329&vf=1

hahahaha ... well spotted. Classic!

oh my God what have I done!
My spare used to live underneath but now resides on the back in full display, not even a cover. Must be the reason why I always feel the need to wear sunnies even when overcast.

Dont you mean the P76!

Truckster isn’t your argument a bit toothless when you have to go back 30 years to try to validate your argument.

But no, wait a minute, that IS how far you have to go back before you can find a pome vehicle that is an equal to today's jap crap.

Good argument.

WOOSH... Wait till that one lands and you may get it.

BTW, how many other pom cars are still successfully sold here? ANd how long since they have been.

For the life of me, I can’t work out why people spend a fortune and drive thousands of ks to go fishing, when you can catch whoppers here all the time.

Landy owners have a ball at everybody elses expence, as you can see, and for that reason alone, why wouldn't you buy one.

Cheers.

Truckster, before you rubbish the poms too much, maybe you should be aware that they would be responsible for pioneering more innovations in the motor vehicle industry than anyone else, such as front wheel drive, 4 wheel drive & I expect you quite like your disc brakes or hmmm..... should we go back to drums?

Truckster the P76 was the cutting teeth of tec of its time. Its just a shame it was built by BMC. Please note that the BMC destroyed the mini, morris 1100 and marina at the same time.

shadow

Destroyed the Mini???? Was there a more successful vehicle in the 20th century, other than maybe the VW puddle jumper (Beetle)?

I'd humbly submit there's absolutely no "maybe" in it at all. Can't see the Mini's sales even approaching the VW :)))))

Shaker I typed "BMC destroyed the Mini" the car is fine just not BMC.
Has anyone got the history of the Mini?

I know that Sir Alec Issigonis penned it up for Sir Leonard Lord in about 1955 and it went into production at morris and Austin right away. Know this is where I'm hazy when did BMC come about I thought it was about 1967 or so.
BMC went backrupt in what year ?
Then Leyland took over to which year?
I know Rover took over the mini till 2000. I brought a brand new 1999 mini in from Singapore.It was a hoot with aircond installed. Motorcycle instruments on the steering colum and EFI on the motor.

In 2001 BMW brought the Name didnt they?

Anyone can help?

Shadow

Ah the mighty Mini...
I still drive a 1972 Clubman GT as my (almost) every day car.

http://miniownersclub.com/mini_history.htm
Gives a great history!

I now drive a Toureg on weekends and I have had a Nissan, 3 LC, RR and ML so I do have some long term experience. Maybe I could select my 4WDOML (... of my life!) over the past 30+ years.
Nissan - wife didn't like the ride or the quality (not build but interior design with cheap fall apart fittings) so I was never allowed to try Nissan again
Toyotas - 60 series was best (bought it new and sold it for 6k profit after 100k - those were the days!)
RR MkII - Only stopped once but depreciation and fuel were ridiculous. (It stopped because the 4.6l engine had the crank of a 4.0l engine. They replaced the engine after 2000k and found the problem when they pulled the original engine down. Ah for the British build QA!
MB ML - just not right for off road or city/highway.
Toureg - too soon to tell and need to buy alternate rims and rubber yet but is good round the city and highway. Yeah I know - that is what it was designed for, but it will get some real work this winter towing the TVan.

I think I will give my award to the mighty Mini - no use off road at all but huge amounts of fun - particulalry at the lights against the kids occasionally.

IAN - still a hoon at heart.

Hahahaha just the normal 24 hours on EO. The old faithfuls:

Which 4by
Which fridge

It's Groundhog Day again !!!!!!!!

Yep, thought I might 'throw the cat amongst the pigeons', I was getting sick of some of the chat room type topics that were emerging!

Just keep shakin da tree and da nuts will fall out :)))))))

"residual distrust'?

more like Barney "Truckster" Rubble attitudes who have hang ups about it because of where it comes from before they'll even open their eyes. Let him display his stupidity.

Barney "Truckster" Rubble
Hey I like that, What about it Bruce care to change your name? LOL.

"I am yet to meet anyone who has driven either a RR Sport or Discovery 3 on/off road who has said that their patrol/landcruiser/hilux/jackaroo etc is better."
I took 4 RR drivers away bush for a weekend, all rich fellows & they amazed us with the list of breakdowns & repairs they all had despite no car being over 12 months old. On average their cars had been in the workshop for 15 days each, not alway something major but even when the CD player stopped it still needed to go in. One bloke even had a car on loan for the weekend because his was in the workshop. We had 2 breakdowns on the rangies for that trip, traction control failed on one & rear suspension failure on another.
Our discussion led to "well what other vehicle could we buy that are reliable?" & we suggested possibly the Lexus, the reply being "yes but that's only a Toyota" :-))
3 years & 4 trips later only one person still has a Rangie & you guessed it, 2 bought the Lexus & 1 got a Cruiser GXL. They just got sick of taking the cars in for repair. As I previously posted I hope they sort out their reliability issues as when they do they may be worth buying.
Had an interseting dicussion with an old member of the Landrover club who when I said that 1 in every 20 Landy's was a lemon replyed it's more like 1 in 10. So when you said "I would be prepared to take the punt on a Discovery 3 or RR", that's exactly what you'd be doing.
Cheers Craig.......
HZJ105

we can listen to anecdotal evidence all day from both sides but the vehemence of those taking exception to the results says more about their motives. Any other car winning this test, or what ever you want to call it, would be met with a shrug of the shoulders. Why do we really care so much?

Those who think Landrover's lack of popularity in Australia is an argument against the quality of the vehicle need to look beyond our sceptred shores. Harsher conditions have (and still do) existed for the last 50 years here and elsewhere and they've been popular enough.

John, i have just flicked thru the current Aus 4x4 mag in which Pirelli came top of the survey. I have found full page ads from their competitors and Mickey Thompson has a full page ad PLUS a double page spread. Coopers have a full page ad AND a double page spread. No sign of any Pirelli ad. Maybe the Pirelli guys bribed the editor with a cup of tea.

As for your other point, has it got to be unanimous? Whatever, but the LR3 seems to have been roundly applauded. I don't go looking for these surveys and the only 3 that I've heard of, the one discussed here, the Open Road and Aus. 4x4 all had LR at the top of the pile.

Steve

Land Rover sales have dropped in Africa and largely through competition from Pajero.

No-one is saying anything about quality, technology, tyre size, colours or whatever.

This is why Land Rover is doing different things than usual to compete.

What a load of rubbish. I neither no nor care about sales in Africa Land Rover have always be the leader in new 4x4 technologies and companies like toyota have ALWAYS been nothing more than copy cats and nissan are just content with trailing everybody else.

What a load of yon know what, “ This is why Land Rover is doing different things than usual “ There is absolutely nothing unusual about LR doing things different, there not only have been doing thing different since the inception but if they hadn’t, the rest of you would still be riding round in vehicle with fruit crates as front seats.

ev700, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you.

Pajero?

Colours?

doing things different?

what are you on about?

Steve you may not have met a RR or D3 driver who thought another brand was better but that doesn't make it so. If you choose to ignore the anecdotal evidence (of which there is many) thats up to you, stick your head in the sand if you wish but it doesn't change the facts, that their is a disproportionate amount of failures between the relitively small number of landrovers that go offroad in Oz compared to the main competition, Nissan & Toyota. But then Rover aren't targetting people who truely go offroad anyway are they?
Craig.................

It's the RACQ figures you need to address rather than attacking me personally.

Why don't sales figures reflect the recommendations of motoring journalists?

There is an obvious chasm between what the motoring journalists are commending and what the consumers buy.

Are all of those buyers stupid or is there some other explanation?

Crackles
Sorry didn't see your post in between. As you would realise I was addressing my reply to Steve and drivesafe.

ev700, I don’t now what you are on but it must be good, either that or you have had YOUR head in the sand for some time and missed what is really going on.

Forget all the mag hype and name one off the show room floor jap 4x4 that can compete with an off the show room floor D3 and beat it. THEY DON'T MAKE ONE.

Just have a look at some of the overseas comps and see which vehicle is winning most of them and thats got nothing to do with mags or journos.

Also, I’m off road a bit these days with other landy owners and so far the only problems any of us have encounter were self inflicted ( driver error not vehicle fault ).

Don’t know where you get your facts from but it is sure as hell different to anything I’ve been seeing.

drivesafe

That is just more personal attack.

Have a good day.

The "advertising dollars = magazine awards" hypothesis was so wrong, Baz that even the least educated buyers would see that it has more holes in it than Snow White.

You are so correct!!, Its just we throw some things away before others.

we throw things away according to our financial capabilities , very sad but true

Aaahh Eric i don't think there talking about hard core i think and correct me if i'm wrong, they are referiing to 4WDOTY.

Get with the program Eric, ya boofhead ;-)))

Baz.

And thats what I am talking about , if you read from above , you will get my point .

Who is the boofhead now ehh ??

My total point is , that 4wd oty is bull bleep , and there there all crap , he who greases the most pockets win's ,

So you might ask , do I think then that RR are crap , most definently lol , and so are the rest of the cars they try to sell us , including what I drive.

There mission is to build a car as cheap as possible with a look or features that will crab the attention of buyers and then not care about it in 3 years time , because there to busy trying to sell you there latest model.

So my point was , buy what you like out of the crap they give us , and get dont think that its any better than the next car

Actually, Crawler, Redback's statement was on the money, this is not about buying a bomb and doing it up it’s about what do people think of the new RRS.

If you don’t like new cars, fine, the point is made. If you want to talk about doing up old 4x4s, why not start a separate thread because as Redback rightly posted, this is not a comparison of old and new.

Cheers

what drugs are you on drivesafe lol , who mentioned doing up old cars ?

You put up a rig pic of a shorty and everyone thinks you drive a old rig lol .

Read the post from the top , I know its long now . but then you will get my drift.

Crawler, I think the only one around here on drugs is yourself and it’s time you saw your doctor and had the dosage increased.

Cheers

Maby i need to be on drugs , so i can understabd you lot lol

Yes you do Eric, take them NOW, BOOFHEAD, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sorry

Yep only time will tell, like all new models there's bound to be teething problems, but hopefully this will be a good product and will proove itself to be as good as the mags say.

Baz.