Fridges! Which is best???

thanks for the advise Maddog.

Mad Dog,

Put the Lux back quick. I much prefer the 3 flying pigs :)))))))))

Here they are gramps and don't worry Adam some of us are a bit crazy here.

a bit, A BIT !!! That's like saying you're half pregnant LOLOL

Big debateable subject, everyone has preferences, the Engel is my choice.

Ron

Will give it a go. Cheers.

that should keep you busy for the rest of the weekend and very confused :)

There a good fridge but overpriced.
Uses a danfoss compressor just like most of them as for the eutectic tank a fully loaded fridge would have the same effect.

You only need to run them about 2 hours a day.

All the best
Eric

Eric, I think they recommend around 5 hours a day, there is no doubt that they are the best design fridge, but the price?

ACDC there is no way that a fully loaded fridge would equal the efficiency of the eutectic tank walls of the Autofridge.

Shaker I think your rite 5 hours seems the one.
But have seen them used without a second battery that's a saving of about 500 or so $.

All the best
Eric

Eric, with you there,I,ve had mine for 4 yrs. excellent fridge,But they are dear, especially with the 240v. tranny. but still ex. value...Phil

Phil you know what your talking about just look at the 4x4 you drive.

SORRY Eric, but I,ve jumped ship!! now got a .89 gq .I do believe they are as good as the l/c , those early models anyway. The only reason I changed was the gq has EVERYTHING on it , & coils are HEAPS easier on my ass!! cya. Phil...[sorry to hijack the thread]

Eric. Your post was blatant advertising. As a long time member of this site you ought to know better.
And any fridge you only need to run 2hrs./day in 35+ deg. c. , come on, you really must have some blisters on that pulling hand.
Eutectic fridges are primarily designed for marine where ambients are in the 20deg.c. range.
You make the AWB look like amateures.
kesh

Kesh I don't even own an auto fridge and I am going on what friends and people on our trips have used and the success they have had with them.
And as you told me if you use night rejuvenating cream you don't get blisters.

All the best
Eric

kesh, we crossed the Simpson & one of the vehicles had an Autofridge, he only ran it 2 hours in the morning & 3 hours in the evening.

The marine fridges only use a eutectic panel insert, whereas the Autofridge eutectics are incorporated in the case.

Eric, please tell me what that cream is, the old "chrome dome" got a trifle scorched today and am sure it would be multi purpose. And seeing that you dont own one of those units, I half forgive you! cheers.

Shaker, if a bloke had any sort of fridge hooked up to his dual battery system, switched on, travelling across the Simpson, how would he know how often it cycled off or on?
OK the eutectic system freezes its tubes, panels, to keep the internals cold/frozen, but I want a unit that can regulate its operation so that when I chuck in a bit of road kill picked up on the way its going to start getting it down to the zero temp. mark asap. This wont happen if I only switch it on again "later"
And if it is necessary to run the compressor in this eutectic fridge for 5hrs./day, that equals 5x5.5a. current draw =27.5a/hrs., not as good as the better fridge freezers available.
If this system was so good, why dont domestic freezers utilise the principle?
Look foward to interesting comment.
This is not advertising, but I have a Trailblaza.
kesh

kesh,
you say "you want a unit that can regulate its operation, so that when I chuck in a bit of road kill picked up on the way, its going to start getting it down to the zero temperature mark asap"

The un-disputed FASTEST temperature pull down 12v fridge on the market is the Mitsubishi rotary commpressor powered Reefer Premier!!!

It's fridge cabinet temperature will stay within 5 degrees of your digitally preselected set temperature, and the freezer will hold icecream frozen while the lettuce remains crisp at 3 degrees.

This is not advertising, but I don't have a Trailblaza.

and mainey you forgot to mention will keeping the icecream crisp and the letuce frozen the mitsu compressor will charge your aux batt while making your coffee and vacuming your car!
Ok I exagerated about the coffee making.....

Leroy

and the vacuming the car too :-))

I didn't mention the great advantage of the Aux battery charging system because it was a 'fridge performance' thread and not a battery thread, maybe I was wrong to not mention it, I will try and remember it next time L0L.

Kesh the cream is used around the eyes when ice chilled cucumber is unavailable.
It is an Avon product item # 2315432 in my latest brochure there's a 2 for one offer.
I don't know the ins and outs of how the autofridge work I just know they work very well.
People who own them leave the fridge on while driving when they arrive at camp they turn it of.

All the best
Eric

"I don't know the ins and outs of how the autofridge work, I just know they work very well.
People who own them leave the fridge on while driving when they arrive at camp they turn it off"

Ummm, what happens if they forget to turn it back on?

Are you saying that you have to be there with them to turn them on and off, at times during the day?
What happened to the KISS method, I'm sure some people would not want to remain at camp just to turn on & off the fridge, it would interfere with the Barra fishing?

What happens if you want to go away for the day and dont return till next day because the road was flooded during the night - rotting fish fillets?

There would be a timer system available for the fridge?

AS i said they just do it and they love em.

All the best
Eric

Quote from the Autofridge web site;

"The Autofridge can be operated in any one of the following ways :-

As a EUTECTIC refrigeration system –
The Autofridge is run for a total of 5-6 hours per day – split into two separate running periods of 2 hours in the morning and ~3 hours in the afternoon. The Autofridge is turned "OFF" in the interim.
Average daily power consumption for this mode of operation is ~20 A/h per day @ 12V.
The eutectic operation of the refrigeration system allows you, the user, the luxury of knowing that in ambient temperatures of up to 32 degrees Celsius, the maximum daily power consumption of your fridge is on average only 20 A/h per day @ 12V.

As a CYCLIC refrigeration system –
The Autofridge is set on a refrigeration setting (e.g. '2') on the thermostat and left to cycle 'on' and 'off' throughout the day.
Average daily power consumption for this mode of operation is ~24 A/h per day @ 12V.

As a cyclic FREEZER–
The Autofridge is set on one of its sub-zero settings ('5', '6' or '7') on the thermostat – the higher the setting, the colder the Autofridge will cycle – and left to cycle 'on' and 'off' throughout the day.
Average daily power consumption for this mode of operation is ~40 A/h per day @ 12V"

Questions;

The Autofridge in the pictures I have seen has only one cabinet space!
If it is to be used as a FREEZER, would you need another fridge to be used as a normal FRIDGE ?
Therefore would you have the Autofridge's quoted ~40 a/h per day and also the ~20 a/h per day for the 'other' fridge, also PLUS the purchase price of the 'other' fridge??

If you use the Autofridge as a FRIDGE, would you still need another fridge to be used as a FREEZER?

If so, that's a total in excess of ~60 A/h per day !!

As the Autofridge quoted ambient temperatures is ONLY up to 32 degrees what will happen at higher ambient temps, say the average 55 degrees in the vehicle in the far North.
Most fridge comparison tests are done in a heated chamber @ 55 degrees, simply because the 'qualified testers' state 55 degrees is the realistic ambient temperatures in the north of Australia, how long would a BD35F Danfoss compressor have to run in an Autofridge, remember they don’t have the same insulation qualities that are built into conventional 12v compressor fridges because their eutectic system has to remove heat through the cabinet sides.

Just some questions I put forward for comment from users of the Autofridge.

(Do we need a NEW thread ?)

mattie, would be a real bugga making a "one piece stainless steel inner"
don't you mean it's one piece of stainless and it's welded at the sides??

not having enough $$$$$$$ is the only reason to buy a waeco but it's a good budget fridge.

So much so that I could afford the dual battery system with the $$$ differential compared to an Engel

derek, the Dec 4wd Monthly test you mention was done using "constant power" supplied from a regulated ~12.8v supply, not from a 12v battery, some if not all of the results would have been totally different if the power was from a 12v battery, simply because as power reduces it lowers the capacity of a 12v compressor to run at the required speed and it pumps less refrigerant throughout the fridge, the fridge cabinet heats up and it will get to the point where it has to be running 24/7 and still will not hold the temperature in the test conditions used.

All tests were done with the same variables. So we are comparing apples with apples.

derek,
Yes, we are comparing as you say apples with apples, but you have either missed or you don’t understand my point.

In the real world we don’t use a constant power supply, we use a 12v battery system and the fridge test you mentioned as published is NOT at all relevant to any results that can be expected by using a 12v battery system for the reasons I specified.

If you buy a fridge based on the numbers from that test and expect them to be the exact same from a 12v battery you will be very disappointed, as a 12v battery does not remain at a constant fully charged state, which would allow the fridge to run at it’s peak performance, however as the battery looses power so does the refrigeration capability decrease!

Ask any clued-up person on any forum with any 12v knowledge!!

derek, my post above, in retrospection, reads a bit harsh, please accept my apologies as that was not my objective, and I'm not blaming the drink :-)

Apology accepted.

12v know how ?

I am qualified with 25 years Motor trade experience and an licensed with the ARC and I.A.M.E.

Regards Derek.

ME

derek, yes I've read your credentials and note a qualified auto electrician is not listed, as qualified auto electrician is not listed for myself either, I won't hold that against you L0L.

But you have posted "It is quite a good test and gives the total A.H. draw over 24 hours in a heated test facility" and that is my sole point of contention.

I can’t agree with your statement, as I stated using a ‘constant power’ source is in no way relevant to a 'real life scenario' such as using a 12v battery to power a fridge under the exact same conditions and also temperatures and for the same period of time.

My point is, this is an extremely unrealistic test procedure which therefore gives equally unrealistic results, which definitely can’t be reproduced in the bush by any average fridge user, with-out a generator, as even a reasonable solar system will not give similar results – I’m sure you would you agree?

If you, or anyone believes this post is incorrect in any part, I would be happy for it to "fully explained" as to why it’s inaccurate and correct it for me L0L

It's a good test for comparasion purposes Mainey.
Give up Derek, you'll never win with Mainey, he'll have you chasing your tail all day :)

Ray, as I posted it compares fridges that are powered CONTINIOUSLY by a 'fully charged' battery, and my point is that's not a practical or realistic method of testing a 12v powered fridge, for the reasons posted previously.

Yes, I agree it compares apples with apples, but who wants to know the results, because it’s totally IMPOSSIBLE to recreate them with a 12v battery, under the exact same conditions, unless you have a generator attached 24/7.

If you believe my post is incorrect, then please inform me why!!
Please don't give up derek, if my post is wrong I want it to be explained why!!

Geez Mainey, hey nobody said you will acheive the results in the real word, the same as you will not acheive the govt published fuel consumption figures for vehicles in the real world but they are good for comparing vehicles because the variables have been eliminated.

Ray, I'm sorry I don't understand why anyone would want to test a product, when as you say, you won't achieve those results in the real word.

I believe it's an erroneous act when published test results are not realistic and can't be accomplished or achieved in real life, wether it’s batteries, fridges or fuel tests!!
(no arguments entered into L0L)

Just a thought, when flying at the speed of light and you switch your headlights on will you be albe to see or will you be flying into darkness ?

Another test but not in the real world and not today.

Regards Derek from ABR

derek, 25 yrs in the trade certainly makes a qualified mechanic....over your years you would have come upon auto electrical work...I beleive any apprentice motor mechanic would have to do several modules of auto electrical subjets to pass as a motor mechanic....unlike the jer er person above who is in business management or the similar but who is a self proclaimed expert in all matters relating to auto electrical and 12/240 v mobile refrigeration and freezers ....especially that 240v money hungry reefer stuff...is it any wonder it has the fastest pull down time....the bloomin compressor is oversized for the duty, cos its the smallest they can get, else they would hacve selected one more to the duty requirements as do the manufacrirers of domestic fridges, freezers airconditioning etc etc etc.

as for 240 v liemack ...well look at what i suspect is a liemack engineers reply to post 2417 ...go to answer id 8817 by mack?

he(mack) claims the danfoss is not a 12vdc compressor....i suspect this is the same jerk i spoke to when i queried there energy performance....mainey has also said this ...but the post was deleted because or some content posted by I at mainey...but i can live with that hahaha...note that he states that the danfoss blah blah blah ...which like all reciprocatiing and rotary compressors (except for the Colda) USES ALTERNATING CURRENT NOT DC.....hahaha i am trying to figure out if this was mainey (aka ozyguy) and they sacked him or demoted him to Perth?

god help reefer hahaha

Hey, Member No 1, why don't you just say: you don't know, instead of ->
"i am trying to figure out if this was Mainey (aka ozyguy) and they sacked him or demoted him to Perth?"

Why get all hung up about it, don't try and 'figure it out' as it's not important to me, or I'm very sure anyone else either, well obviously you are interested, don’t know why, as you say "you are trying to figure it out" I suggest you should get over it and get a life, it's not important.

What is important is that "qualified" people should answer pertinent questions put directly to them, and not use offensive language, as you have admitted to above, as this is a family orientated site and therefore read by parents and also their children.

You say you can 'live with posting offensive material' on David’s ExplorOz website, obviously David could not, and as you have suggested removed it, get the hint.

How can it have a small footprint & still not be deep?

Small "footprint" because the surface area, gap or actual area taken up by the fridge is small by comparison to a physically larger sized fridge of the same exact same height.

'Deep' generally refers to how far down it is to the bottom as it's a bugga to get food stored deep down from underneath the food stored above.

Dimensions of a 'box' are generally, height x depth x length, however in the context of the relevant post 'deep' has referred to how far it was to the bottom of the fridge "(kept HEIGHT down for access also)"

hope this has assisted.

yes Mainey but how can it have a smaller footprint and be not as deep as another fridge of equal capacity.

Maybe is just the usual advertising blurb and missInformation?

In an attempt to sell a product that has to compete with another in a similar class often there will be some 'fudging' of the numbers to make them appear 'better'

The "60 litre" capacity fridge External dimensions

Engel 441cm & EvaKool 420cm - High (top to bottom)
Engel 790cm & EvaKool 860cm - Wide (side to side)
Engel 490cm & EvaKool 445cm - Depth (front to back)

The EvaKool has the smaller foot print and is also the lowest height off the ground!!

Remember these numbers are the External measurements off the relevant web sites, so the stated 60 Litre capacity of each fridge may not be the actual number and be rounded to the nearest or to the next 10 litres to make it appear as a larger fridge, I don't know :-(

Yes Mainey you are probably correct, reminds me of the waeco fridges which appear to have a small capacity compared with others of equal claimed capacity.

So ...... if those measurements are correct the EvaKool must have thinner insulation!

I'm picking one of these up nudie, don't camp anywhere near us lot. No more worries about fridge space...hahaha

"reefer with 240V compressor"

I'm fairly sure that this is not the case for all reefers. A mate has one and it definately has a 12V compressor and is a great fridge.

Personally, I agree with Eric - an autofridge is great. I have one and we only run it for 5 hours a day and even then things start to freeze. Yes they may be expensive but they can be rebuilt and you can sometimes get them second hand like I did. You can get a better price if you contact the factory directly rather than going through quirks.

kym

From the reefer home page

"These units use the latest Danfoss BD compressors with the AC power built directly into the compressor, unlike some of the other AC units on the market where the AC power still goes through an internal rectifier."

the danfoss is a 12V compressor.

Reefer have two ranges of fridges the power hungry rotary 240 volt compressor type and the danfoss compressor type which is the same fridge as the Downunder fridges.

acdc,
Do you know the amp draw of the rotary 240 volt compressor powered fridge over a 24 hour period ?

Last time i checked the reefer _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx about 8 amps when running so it depends on how long it runs over 24 hours which is governed by the ambient temperature,the thermostat setting and whats in the fridge,if it ran for 6hrs in 24hrs=48ah thats a lot!!

acdc,
go to the top of the class, yes it uses ~8.2 amps, but only “when running” :-))
Now tell me the cyclical times and multiply "a" x "b" and you have the answer.... clap clap clap...

The 75 Litre Engel states the DC power consumption is 4.5 amps when running, so at 8.3 amps if the two fridges run for the same time it’s 3.8 amps too many, but the run times are totally different, and that's due to the more efficient rotary compressor, not my own idea but a known and published fact.
question; how long does it take for a 75 litre Engle f/f to go from 6 degrees down to 1 degree in high ambient temps? Well you would not know because the 75 litre Engle does not have a system that can give a 5 degree variation in temperature of the fridge cabinet, so it's really an unfair question.

My Premier 70 Litre f/f takes 20 minutes to go from 6 degrees down to 1 degree in the high ambient temps in the back of a vehicle. It then cycles for just over an hour? I think, as I have not actually timed it strictly to the exact minute.
It can be set to save power, but then you loose the advantage of fast cooling and you have higher cabinet temperatures, I make the choice to use power and have 3.5 degree "average" cabinet temperature. If I wanted to save power I would use a Danfos powered fridge and put up with higher temperatures.

Hint; the answer is nowhere as high as 48, if I said 24 to 30 would you believe me, no I really didn’t think so, so I won’t offer you the answer.

Hint; I use one x 80 watt solar panel, manufacturers specs state it puts out a Maximum of 4.65 a/h, it runs my 70 Litre Premier, they claim there’s maximum of 6 sun hours a day here, so that’s 27.6 a/h maximum @ full sun, an unlikely occurrence every day, but I’m sure you can do the maths yourself?

I now have a dvd/tv system and full 12v lighting instead of gas, gas was too dam noisy with the tv, it causes the battery to run down early, well they are almost 5 years old.

Let's assume the fridge is above average capacity, 70 litres, say it’s 2/3 full and being used in above average ambient temperature, the fridge thermostat setting is actually set at 1 degree, and I bet that's lower than most fridges, because it means the fridge cabinet temp will never get above a maximum of 6 degrees and will go down to ~zero before cycling.

here we go again.....more cra.!

Mr. Member No 1
A new name, still blinkered and with the same narrow minded attitude, and still without any validation of opinion!!

Why don't you post your evidence to substantiate your claim of "here we go again.....more cra.!"

Your a qualified fridge mechanic so you show the decent people here why your post should be believed.
If you believe my post is incorrect then please correct it :-))

Children sometimes, thankfully not too often, say the things you do, and they don’t have the qualifications you are claiming, if you want to act like a child then expect to be treated like one!

Mainey, trying to find the prices of the reefer danfoss models, can you help.

Ray
What size you need?

the popular 50 Litre Traveller 12v Danfoss compressor fridge is only $936

a bit more retail...

.
the above post will be "deleted" in 21 days :-))

Thanks Mainey, I don't need one my engel serves my needs. I was just curious about the price and couldn't find it online.

Is the Reefer RT50 the same as the DU50 being sold by Repco for $899, they look identical when I checked.

Dave

Yes, they are made by some mob in Taiwain and sold all around the world.

mainey...your are being an idiot again....
i have posted the facts
you have not ...else you would post the certified test results that reefer or liemack carried out and had verified by a independent witness....
where are they mainey?
your crediiblity must be and is still waning ...it was that said the Danfoss bd35 compressor was not a 12vdc input at the copmressor teminals... was it not

Ruey Shing refridgeration make the reefer danfoss fridge, they have a website but not much info on it.

ray..if your taking that thing full og grog , i'm goingwith you

are you telling us ray thats its not a reefer fridge?

mainey...a slight correction
your crediiblity must be and is still waning ...it was YOU that said the Danfoss bd35 compressor was not a 12vdc input at the copmressor teminals... was it not

oh and yes...a new name ...but still the same gorgoeus smile

nudie, Reefer don't build it. It's made by Ruey Shing in Taiwain, sold around the world with various badges on it.

http://www.ruey-shing.com.tw/

Nudie, well I reckon with a fridge like that we wont have to go to town too often which can only be good.

Mr Number 1,
you posted, "mainey...it was YOU that said the Danfoss bd35 compressor was not a 12vdc input at the copmressor teminals... was it not"

If you believe what you post then just 'copy/past' it with the relevant post number....

You will be able to find it because you believe it to be true
I can't because I know it's not true

you make a statement 'asserting' you know something

I'm just asking you to... prove it...

yes you did mainey
it , the post may have been deleted cos i called you a a F*&^%Wit or something with words to that effect...and i aint going looking for it...you aint worth the effort....you are a liar!!!

maybe someone else can remember where I also directed you to other sites having DC motors driving a variety of equipment, such as fans and others

now show us the certfified tests for the 240v reefer
is the 12v is another piece of junk?... i say this as if maddog is correct you er reefer dont build it then

mad dog....go to town...hell we wouldnt be able to find it if we needed to?

Mainey,
So your telling me the reefer 70litre fridge with the 240volt rotary compressor which is powered from a inbuilt inverter runs continously from one 80 watt solar panel?
If it was the Danfoss powered model i would agree.
The rotary compressor model i'm not convinced..
Your solar panel puts out 27.9ah
Any battery is only 85%efficient
The inverter in the fridge would only be approx 90% efficient
So 25% of your 27.9ah is down the drain which leaves 20.9ah for the fridge.
Which model is it?

as I said Rude Nutter, prove it.....
but now you say you can't :-((
just as I said you would not - simply because your wrong - yet again!!

You say "now show us the certfified tests for the 240v reefer"
Why do you want to see that test?
Exactly what information is it you want to know?

You keep asking me to prove things for you!!
If your so dam smart you should be able to prove your point when asked - but you can't!!
I wonder why not??

ACDC, you posted the following, my answers follow your questions.

"So your telling me the Reefer 70litre fridge runs continously from one x 80 watt solar panel"
-> NO, my Reefer Premier fridge is wired direct to a Steca solar regulator.

"Your solar panel puts out 27.9ah"
-> Depends on the day, 4.65 amp x 6 PSH = 27.9 amps, I've seen 5+ amps registered when on a cool panel and I've seen far more than 6 hours of sunshine per day more often than not.
You have to remember the 'Sun Hours' used in calculations are called PEAK Sun Hours, there are also many hours of sunshine each side of the PSH, you could see 2 amps at 7.30am and again at 6.30pm, that's a lot of Amps unaccounted for in the 6 'Peak Hours' I have used to calculate the conservative 27.9 a/h.
Ask anyone with a solar panel how many actual hours per day their solar panel is replacing power in the battery and their accumulation of a/h for a day.

"Any battery is only 85% efficient"
-> Why is that relevant, I have solar power?

"The inverter in the fridge would only be approx 90% efficient"
-> Would it, technically it's a specifically designed motor starter, not an inverter

"So 25% of your 27.9ah is down the drain which leaves 20.9ah for the fridge"
-> Why is that? If 27.9amps goes into the battery it stays there till used by the fridge.
However, remember when the fridge is actually running and while the sun is shining, the full output from the solar panel is going direct to the fridge from the solar regulator, not from the battery!!
The battery only has to put in the power not delivered by the Steca.
You have to have things wired up correctly to work correctly, and if you do the maths you will be able to confirm this :-)

"Which model is it"
-> As you have posted above, the fridge is a 70 Litre Dual Temp Reefer Premier
The solar panel is a Solarex 80 watt
The solar regulator is a Steca PR series

Anything you need to know just ask, cable size is also important.

Mad Dog, are you sure they are made overseas?? Good friend of mine just had one made by them, specified the size and has even sent it back to have some bits upgraded. From memory it was around 110 litres, freezes very quickly and from his use in the Gulf he believes power consumption to be pretty similar to 2 times what his 60 litre engle used on the same fishing stints.

Austravel, the fridge with the 12v Danfoss compressor is only available in two sizes, neither being 110 Litre.

I believe your good friend would in fact have the Reefer Premier fridge as they will freeze the contents very quickly, matter of fact quicker than any other 12v fridge, even in very high ambient temperatures of the Gulf Country, they are also upgradeable in compressor and cabinet size, from a portable 12v fridge up right up to a full walk-in freezer suitable for a commercial fishing boat, and they still use the Mitsubishi rotary compressor, because they are so efficient.

As to power consumption, you say he is using a fridge that’s twice as large and still only using relatively the same power of an equivalently sized Engel, that would have to be very economical as the single larger cabinet space makes the compressor work much harder to retain the correct temperature when the fridge cabinet capacity increases, all tests show that, that’s why most companies send their 39Lt and 45Lt fridges for comparative testing.

Thanks, that clears it up. What I said about power consumption is that he believes he uses twice what he did with his 60 litre. In fact I think he said a little over twice, he has a full battery management system in his van so unless he's made a mistake he should have the right info. Again this is second hand so who really knows. He and his father swear by both their units for speed of freezing, abilty to maintain temp in hot humid areas like the Gulf and robustness.

Dave, you ask-> "Is the Reefer RT50 the same as the DU50 being sold by Repco for $899, they look identical when I checked"
the simplistic answer is... no, they’re not identical

First, if you look at the lid you will see a very distinct difference, which is easier to see in the actual product, but does not appear in pictures.

The DU50 from Repco is less presently expensive when on "special", and the Repco DU70 fridge is more expensive than the Reefer RT70.

I believe a more significant decision should be made when purchasing any long term investment like a 12volt fridge, buy where you can be really confident you will get highly skilled people answering your phone call and doing all service work.

Don’t you believe it’s important to have competent and well-informed after-sales service from the actual fridge supplier, and not an unknown third party repairer, who has no interest in the fridge, other than making money from you - when repairing it.

Who will you phone when you’re at the back of ‘Birdsville’ and have a simple question about the fridge cooling system or electronics?

Do you think the person at Repco will know the workings of the fridge ?

dave...there would be no point getting a reefer, they wouldnt be able to assist you either ...they claim the danfoss compressor is 240V...and not dc input as danfoss claim...i know who'd i rather beleive

Dave, the following information is actually posted on the Reefer web site.
As you can see it's relevant to the 12v Reefer Traveller.

Unfortunately, Mr No 1 (previously known as the Nude Nutt) is still all mixed up, as we all know it's the Reefer "Premier" that's 240v.
The Reefer "Traveller" is 12v, using as the web site very clearly states a 'Danfoss BD35 Compressor', which everyone knows is a 12v compressor, however the nutter must think because the 240v is built directly into the compressor it would make it a 240v compressor, which it is not, the BD35 compressor is definitely a 12v compressor that's capable of being run on 240 volt, as also are many fridges.

How many times does he have to be advised of this information before he gets it correct L0L

Quote:
"Refrigeration Research are introducing there latest fridge unit the Reefer TRAVELLER. This is a dual compartment fridge with the main compartment having an all stainless steel evaporator. The smaller compartment runs 4C - 5C higher than the bigger compartment.
The Reefer Traveller comes in 2 sizes 50lt and 70lt.

These units use the latest Danfoss BD compressors with the AC power built DIRECTLY INTO THE COMPRESSOR, unlike some of the other AC units on the market where the AC power still goes through an internal rectifier.

Designed for the extreme Australian environment with the larger powerful energy efficient Danfoss BD35, with good insulation (55mm), giving the unit superior cooling ability. With dual compartments the RT-50 has a full Stainless Steel evaporator, giving top to bottom efficient cooling. Fold down handles take up less space. Excellent power for normal cooling and freezing"

Hope this clears up any 'misunderstandings' about the 12/240 volt power system, well at least to those who just don't understand the electronics system and continue to post inaccurate and misleading information that they can't prove when asked L0L.

are you speaking on behalf of reefer....how long did it take them to figure it out? or have you straightened them out!?

did you check out post id 2417 answer id 8817 by Mack? is this you? or is it some one else at reefer/liemack maybe even the same wanker who said it to me when i rang ..remember......have a look ...he does say it is not 12vdc doesnt he?...

Mr No 1 Nutt, you know for an absolute fact I’m not “Mack” so why be so childish and suggest I am, trying to get some ‘brownie points’ are you?

You say -> How long did it take them to figure it out? or have you straightened them out!?.....
“I would not waste my time talking about you, I answer here because you would be the one ‘person’ who posts more inaccurate posts and unmitigated lies than any other single poster and some-one has to correct you, unfortunately you need a lot of correcting”

Yes, I remember your phone call, you got all abusive and hung up on ???You acted like a spoilt brat when you were challenged and were asked to substantiate your idea’s with any proof at all, hey you pretty well Never answer questions here too, after all remember it was me who suggested you phone :-)

Hey Mr 1 Nutter, get your facts right, where is post number #8817 by Mack?

The information in his reply #2417 states in part -> Remembering we are talking about a Liemack fridge - NOT a Reefer fridge :-)

“lets look at efficiency...All compressors have what is called a co-efficient factor.
This is the amount of refrigeration delivered from each electrical power consumed. The commonly used Danfoss BD 3 has a co-efficient (cop) factor of 0.92 while the Mitsubishi (Liemack) rotary has a considerably better cop of 1.07.
(Manufacturers figures, Danfoss document CN.46.A1.02.)
The Mitsubishi figures are then to have their efficiency decreased by the inverter loss factor which is .94. Therefore inverting to a higher AC voltage to operate a more efficient compressor can produce better results.

Next.. even the new most powerful 12 VOLT Danfoss (BD50) only produces 77 watts of refrigeration output while the Mitsubishi produces 119!!!

The Liemack is the most powerful portable by a country mile and while it is running uses around 9 amps for each hour of operation while the BD50 would be using about 6 amps, but the Liemack is delivering so much more and has the grunt to keep refrigerating when the others are dying.
With far greater refrigeration output, the bigger compressor obviously gets the job done quicker resulting in more off time”

Mr No 1 Nutter, have you read the document mentioned (Manufacturers figures, Danfoss document CN.46.A1.02) that ‘mack’ referred to, is his statement correct or is it wrong?

Mack states in very plain English “most powerful 12 volt Danfoss compressor” which to me states the Danfoss compressor is actually 12 volt, and not 240v as you are implying.

Mr No 1 Nutter, you are obviously referring to this-> “The Danfoss BD3 compressor used by others is an excellent small compressor which like ALL reciprocating and rotary compressors uses alternating current not direct current. The 12 volt DC is inverted into AC. (Have a look at the little black box on the Danfoss compressor)”

Mr No 1 Nutter, Have you actually read the specs and looked into the “little black box” as was requested ?

What does it say?

I will admit the information as posted is quiet hard to read, Mack has stated the BD range of Danfoss compressors are “12 volt compressor”, and in plain English too.

Hope to get (don't expect) some educated answers from you - for a change!

Quote from post 2417 Mack's ID answer 8817 ...(for gods sake mainey stop being a $$ wit)

"The Danfoss BD3 compressor used by others (now BD 50 used in some bigger cabinets) is an excellent small compressor which like ALL recipricating and rotary compressors (except the defunct Italia Colda) uses ALTERNATING CURRENT NOT DIRECT CURRENT. The 12 volt DC is INVERTED into AC. (Have a look at the little black box on the Danfoss compressor!!!!! "
this does not of course say that the comp is 240v???
i must be reading it wrong!

quote
"Mr No 1 Nutter, Have you actually read the specs and looked into the “little black box” as was requested ?

What does it say?"
end quote
buggered if I know..never looked...going by you danfoss are liars?

But I quote from their tech data
"The BD compressors are fitted with a brushless direct current motor which is electronically commutated by an electronic unit."
end quote

Brushless Direct Current means brushless ac?

is it an AC od DC motor? you tell me! dont stuff around ....
IS it AC or DC?...come on give an aye or nay

we dont want to hear all that crap about coefficients that i have shot down!

Quote
"Yes, I remember your phone call, you got all abusive and hung up on ???"
end quote
it was you? else how do you REMEMBER?...YOU were the jerk who told me it is a 240v compressor!!!!

Mainey,
You must work for reefer or have shares in the company..

I also sell these fridges 50litre and 70 litre yes they are all the same,Repco,reefer,ruey shing who are trying to fool, there a great fridge blow the doors off a Waeco or Engel.
By the way the insulation is 50mm not 55mm.
When Repco runout and they stop butchering the market we will all be happy!!
They butchered winches now it's suspension and fridges.

ACDC, the lid really IS different & that's as much as I will admit here.
As to "blowing the doors off a Waeco" hell if I stated that the Rude Nutter & yourself would both think I worked for Reefer and was biased, or that I owned the company & was biased or I was just biased, however can I agree, without actually offending Waeco owners - no thought not. L0L

Mr No 1 Nutter, No it was not me you were talking to, don't you ever get the name of the person you talk to when you ask some-one a technical question because you don’t know the answer yourself, think back now to the conversation, wasn't there some-one else involved ??
I guarantee you did not talk with me!

I asked you "Have you actually read the specs and looked into the “little black box” as was requested by “Mack” - what does that 'little black box' tell you, that you can understand, L0L

Your reply "buggered if I know..never looked"
RN, I asked you to look, I thought it was a really simple request, you may learn something, then again you probably won't understand what you were reading from what I have read of your post here today.

Mr Rude Nutter
Your quote: "from their tech data, The BD compressors are fitted with a brushless direct current motor which is electronically commutated by an electronic unit."

Mr 1 RN, you then ask me -> "is it an AC or DC motor? you tell me! dont stuff around. Is it AC or DC? come on give an aye or nay, we dont want to hear all that crap about coefficients that i have shot down"

-> Mr Rude Nutter you stated: "Brushless Direct Current means brushless ac"
NO, your wrong... "DC" is Direct Current (example 12 or 24 VOLT) and "AC" is Alternating Current (example 240 VOLT) no wonder you can’t understand anything about electronics at all, you don't even know basic electronics terms that they teach you in the first week at tafe, did you say you went to tafe?

Mr Rude Nutter, you claim you are a "qualified Fridge Mechanic" I have never made the claim I am.
Any similarly qualified person would know these answers, I'm getting tired of answering your questions, things you should know and obviously you don't know and don't even understand.

As for the "cop" numbers you could not even explain them let alone 'shoot them down' and just to prove me wrong please explain why they are NOT correct, in simple terms, so every-one can see how wrong you are, if your capable. L0L [hint it's not ac]

I apologise for the dreadful hijacking of this thread, now I can understand why, hell when a 'qualified fridge mechanic' doesn’t know the difference between AC & DC current....

well what do you know you have finally got it right

AC is not DC

Now doesnt Mack's statement (below) say that the danfoss compressor is AC?...or am i reading it wrong
Quote
“The Danfoss BD3 compressor used by others is an excellent small compressor which like ALL reciprocating and rotary compressors uses alternating current not direct current. The 12 volt DC is inverted into AC. (Have a look at the little black box on the Danfoss compressor)” end quote

and you have also told me to read the black box...why...will it say AC?

i still put it to you...is it a dc or ac driven compresor?

I also put to you...if you were not there when I made the phone call how do you "Remember"

I did not hang up on the jerk at reefer who said it, (danfoss) was a AC driven compressor...you werent there, so how would you know.

acdc...going by Mainey's rationale..the toyota lexen wasnt a commodore.....technically he is right of course......its got a diffeerent name on it......but you and i know otherwise..eh?

i guess that goes for those fridges...it aint the same.....

some persons are really wally's....all he needs is a red and white striped suit...

oh and mainey...i did have the facts right

i typed "did you check out post id 2417 answer id 8817 by Mack"
i did not type post 8817....
cant you read?

Mr No 1 Rude Nutta, as I’ve previously stated to you, I’m not ‘Mack’
may I suggest you ask him all questions you may have about what he has posted, you should have raised the point with him that you did not understand the difference between AC & DC current then, not ask me to clarify his post now, I'm not telepathist, am I.

You posted "oh and mainey, i did have the facts right, i typed "did you check out post id 2417 answer id 8817 by Mack" i did not type post 8817,cant you read"
Mr No 1 Nutter, sorry, obviously I was not paying due attention L0L
as I was really fascinated and engrossed by your obvious and total lack of knowledge in AC & DC current, and also your conversation with ( ?? ) about same, wonder how I know so much about said conversation and also the 3rd party present to the conversation, maybe I am telepathist L0L.

When ACDC checks out the Reefer Traveller fridge and confirms externally the lid IS different, (yes acdc, can you check the lid please) you will be proven to be wrong yet again, but with you, being wrong recently appears to be a way of life Ha Ha Ha

ROTFLMAO

Mr No 1 Rude Nutter,
You posted "acdc, going by Mainey's rationale, the toyota lexen wasnt a commodore, technically he is right of course, its got a diffeerent name on it, but you and i know otherwise, eh?
i guess that goes for those fridges, it aint the same..... "

Mr No 1 Nutter, yes, your correct technically I am right!!

When you post information and assert it’s true, first check the facts and don’t continue to post lies, untruth's and rubbish as you tend to do, fact is, ACDC can’t confirm your post is correct because it can be absolutely proven to be a lie and a load of rubbish, yet again!

ACDC, contact any Holden Service Department, ask them the same question, yes, as I did, and you will be advised there are some very minor mechanical differences.

However :-) :-) :-)

and far more importantly, the headlights and also the tail lights are definitely - NOT - interchangeable, eg, they don't fit...

You definitely can't fit Commodore headlights into a Lexen, even with the same model number eg, 'VP' and the lights are definitely more visual than a design on fridge door.

Sorry, you’re wrong again Mr No 1 Nutter.... Ha Ha Ha
You have a good weekend anyway :-)

ROTFLMAO

you own a lexen mainey

and the danfoss compressor needs DC voltage input!
now peeeesoff and leave refrigeration to the experts...after all ...you, by self admission, are not qualified in any way in refrigeration
have a gooden!

why you ROTFLMAO ray?
chair broke or you started drinking early...hahaha...burp! ...excuse me

It's amusing stuff Nudie, you know that no two products are the same Nudie, different machining tolerances and paint pigments make them different not to mention different metal and plastic composition heck some things even have different fly crap on them. A fridge jockey should know that stuff Nudie. :)

but the toilet seat motor fitted in the commode
engine specs the same?
even the the commode computer worked on the toilet seat..
swmbo doesnt beat me over the head ...nor yell! at me for leaving the seat up now

the toilet lid fitted the commode

the wheels fitted...ah got ya on this one....portable toilet hahaha

has to be a commodore...doesnt it?

enamel was different but...white while the other was white with a skid mark

Mr No 1 Nutter, I know the difference between AC and DC current...
you have stated you don't L0L

You say "swmbo doesnt beat me over the head ...nor yell! at me for leaving the seat up now" would it be because she realises you are just too dam lazy to put it back down and you won't change even for her, just do to make her happy, don't be a 'win at all costs looser'

Now you are aware a 'VP' Lexen is NOT identical to a 'VP' Commodore,
but you still won't admit to your own lack of 'attitude' problem on the phone to ?? at Reefer, get a life and tell the truth, don't perpetuate your untruths and lies.

As ACDC has posted, the Reefer Traveller will "Blow the doors of the Waico and Engel" and hell it must be totally true, because you, Mr No 1 Nutter did not take him to task or question him about it at all, or maybe it's only personal with you, would that be correct ??

i did not say any such thing...you need glasses more than i
read again jerk and put it all in context!!!
love ya!your great to have some fun with..xxxx

tis a pity ya dont know what ya talking about most of the time

Well fella's,
The 50 litre fridges i have in stock, some have smooth lids and some have a leather grain finish on them.

THE END!!

ACDC, in your experience does the texture of the lids have much effect on the performance of the fridge.

Of corse it does Ray it means they work better than reefer units doesnt it?

Mainey ..i quote you
"With far greater refrigeration output, the bigger compressor obviously gets the job done quicker resulting in more off time”"

is that led to make us beleive that we get energy savings due to this more off time?..if it is its a misleading statement? if two equal box's have same refrigeration demand, same heat losses (or gains) the refrigeration requirements of the compressor (not to be confused with power consumption as this can be discussed sperately), would be the same...(I refer you to reefer web page)...more off time does not mean energy savings though does it?...

Mr No 1 Nutta, you asked... "is that led to make us beleive that we get energy savings due to this more off time?"
Yes, Mr No 1 Nutta your correct, because when a fridge compressor is NOT running, it's NOT using power!!

Mr No 1 Nutta you ask; "If two equal box's have same refrigeration demand, same heat losses (or gains) the refrigeration requirements of the compressor would be the same, more off time does not mean energy savings though, does it? "

Mr No 1 Nutta to again correct another of your untrue posts for you, and to educate you further, a 'compressor' does not "require" refrigeration at all, there is no "refrigeration requirements of the compressor" as you have posted - the “contents of the fridge cabinet” (the box) has the refrigeration requirement, which is actually supplied by the compressor, as scheduled by the thermostat and also pre-programmed electronics package of the fridge!

Yes, when a compressor is NOT running, it's NOT consuming electrical energy.

Put another way:

It’s an undisputed and proven fact, convincingly verified by every single specific test undertaken, the Reefer Premier definitely has the FASTEST "temperature pull down" of every 12v fridge tested.

Said another even more simplistic way, no other 12v fridge can remove heat from the food/contents of a 12v fridge, faster than the Reefer Premier fridge!!

Now that's a really big statement, but I know you will agree it's true !!

However, Mr No 1 Nutta, if you disagree, please post a link to the relevant 12v fridge ‘test’ that proves me wrong!

I believe by having the shortest ON time, therefore gives the Reefer Premier the longest 'OFF' time of all 12v fridges, when the compressor is not running at all, and that’s the mathematics for you to deliberate.

"Yes, Mr No 1 Nutta your correct, because when a fridge compressor is NOT running, it's NOT using power!!" ...but all fridges are designed to not use power when not running..are they not? (excluding electronic controls)

ok point taken.. typo ...it should have been "refrigeration duty" and not requirements...but you knew what I meant

are you telling us that with more off time the energy savings should be more by your reckoning?...if this is so why dont reefer go the whole hog and use a compressor that is five times bigger than needed

Mr No 1 Nutta, your claimed "typo's" are many and varied, and yes I know what you meant, but unfortunately your posts are read by people who may actually believe them to be true as posted, unfortunately if they then buy a 'product' based on the information contained with-in an incorrect post, and when they get the 'product' home find they have bought something only because you made a "typo" well you know the what I mean...... :-(

When a qualified Refrigeration Mechanics admits he doesn’t know something as simple and as relevant as the correct terminology I would be worried if he maybe also forgets the correct technical procedures L0L

As to your question "if this is so, why dont reefer go the whole hog and use a compressor that is five times bigger than needed"

I believe the rotary compressor as used in the Reefer Premier fridge does the job required, as I have said, it's unquestionably the FASTEST cooling 12v fridge that is available.
What benefit would there be to have it even faster again?

Mr No 1 Nutter, have you found any 'tests' to "prove my statement wrong"

lets get back to the guts of my question...if a fridge has a large capacity compressor and it gives one more off time, does it give one energy savings?...

if it does why dont reefer go the whole hog and put a compressor that is 5 times bigger than they currently use?

I am just trying to clarify a point mainey. Quote "With far greater refrigeration output, the bigger compressor obviously gets the job done quicker resulting in more off time" end quote...your statement suggests that we get energy savings due to this "More Off time"...in your opinion is this correct.

Mr No1 Nutter, you ask “if a fridge has a large capacity compressor and it gives one more off time, does it give one energy savings”
The simple answer is, yes. However if you are intimating you only get one (singular) extra off time then the answer probably could be ‘no’

However, seeing as we are actually evaluating the performance of the Reefer Premier fridge with the much larger capacity and admittedly far more efficient Mitsubishi rotary compressor, to a far smaller capacity Danfoss or similar 12v fridge compressor, then the answer is definitely and obviously, Yes, isn’t it, and even you would agree with that – wouldn’t you?

The fact remains; the less time ‘any’ compressor is actually running simply equates to less 12v power it consumes, if it’s a Mitsubishi, Danfoss or an Engel compressor is not relevant, because if a compressor runs for less time, it therefore uses less 12v power, I believe it’s a simple mathematical equation that can be understood by school children.

I have posted -> “I believe the rotary compressor as used in the Reefer Premier fridge does the job required, as I have said, it's unquestionably the FASTEST cooling 12v fridge that is available.
What benefit would there be to have it even faster again”

You ask some hilarious questions for a fridge mechanic, but as you did not understand “AC & DC” current and did not know the correct meaning of the term "refrigeration duty" it’s really not too hard to understand your difficulty in comprehending technical replies, L0L

Could it be you are affected by the blue tint in the glass's?

I can recommend getting parts for the westinghouse frost free. I just got a chill bin lid for mine in less that 18 hrs and free of charge.... thanks westinghouse.

Shadow

Sso Gossy, it comes right down to the wire, eh..
From my assessment of all these deliberations, that leaves one, and only one fridge/freezer, genuine low consumption and high perfomance under all conditions, leave the rest in its wake etc. etc. .................
TRAILBLAZA
(not an ad. , but I do have one!)
kesh

Ellen, the "Mrs in the Camp Kitchen" as you have called yourself, is still the most important person in the camp ... without doubt!

Because you can cook, you don't need to know how or why the fridge works :-)

" 40lt chescold 3way [modified with extra computer fans to remove heat from condenser]

- I've just tested my Chescold with and without a fan on the Condensor and I can't measure any increase in cooling with the fan.

Mike

>more experts on this forum than there are fridges
>sold in Australia

Now ain't that the truth! :) Wait until they get on to electricity - every man and his dog who ever successfully changed his torch batteries is an expert on that :)

>I've just tested my Chescold with and without a fan on
>the Condensor and I can't measure any increase in cooling
>with the fan.

Largely depends on the ambient temperature and/or the natural airflow around the fridge at that particular time.

I have a fan fitted to my Finch fridge but only use it when the fridge is in the vehicle (poor airflow) or on very hot days 35C+. It makes a difference then but in most other conditions the fridge can cope and a fan won't make much different.

Mike Harding