Split rims for 100 IFS - YES YOU CAN .
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Member - Willie , Epping .Syd.
Mick Hutton from Beadell Tours sent me the following email after I had been in touch with him about his wilderness desert tagalongs and asked him a few related tyre questions . His information is very interesting for owners of 100 IFS who would like to fit rag tyres and need split rims to do so .
I might have to go on one of his tagalongs , as he really seems to know his business .
" I had at my disposal yesterday a 2004 model Sahara 100 Series fitted with 265/65R17 on Alloys. My object was to try and fit Toyota 5 stud split rims on the IFS.
The result was good.
Both the 6x16 (100 Series split) and the 5.5x16 (78 Series split) can be used on the IFS. Both rims had good clearance of Brake Callipers and IFS components. I had 235/85R16 tyres fitted to both Rims.
I was sick of hearing it couldn't be done from people who hadn't tried it "
Reply By: Footloose - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:39
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:39
Funny you should post on this topic. I just swapped my tubeless tyres on splitz for steel tubeless rims. After 30 years on splitz it was time for a rest from punctures :)
However if I were heading off with MJick, I'd be changing back and using rags.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 16:51
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 16:51
Hi Willie,
I have no doubt that they will fit up.
But have you checked how exposed your brake components will be? - they might get a peppering from the stones/mud/water. The rear calipers on the later Cruisers are in a leading position, so are more exposed than the trailing rear calipers in the past. The 78/79series have had issues with mud filling up the rear pads etc, and causing rapid wear of the pads and rotors - you can buy a rear caliper cover to help in this regard.
And..................going back to splits.............best of luck :-)))) I ditched them years ago for the same reasons footloose is.
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 18:47
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 18:47
Hi Phil ,
Actually Mick got back to me so long after I first spoke to him , that in the mean time I had ordered some 16 x 6.5 inch rims from Toyota in Japan . I am ordering some Bridgestone V Steel radials to go on them - Jason from
Karratha uses these on the same rims and has had a great run with them.
You recommended MTRs to me some time ago , but I think I would prefer the steel sidewall radials - even if they do bulge a bit in the sidewalls .
Even with the normal wheels , I buggered my rear pads in just 20 muddy kilometres last June in the rainy
Pilbara . What are these caliper covers you mentioned ? Where do you get them / are they a Toyota part ?
Thanks ,
Willie
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 23:03
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 23:03
Hi Willie,
I had the 750R16 Bridgestone V-steel M757 (looks like its now called M857) on my older troopie about 15 years ago. They cost a bit back then, but like you say, the casings were very strong.
The caliper covers were stocked by CMI Toyota in
Adelaide - they were made for the mining companies for the 78/79series by an aftermarket company, and from memory were about $50 a pair. They simply used two existing screws on each side to slip over the calipers. Its possible thay also fit the 100series rear brakes. Might be worth calling CMI spares 1800 882 618 and asking.
Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: Spinifex - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 20:04
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 20:04
Splits....Hmmmmm
Having been a great advocate of splits I finally went fats some time ago and my
puncture rate went down by 80%
The Beadell Tour Group run MRF's on splits, but they are doing mega offroading.
Still, it is matter of where you place your wheels.
Time will tell in a hardcore offroad situation.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 20:42
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 20:42
I am trying to avoid staking sidewalls in the desert .
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 21:45
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 21:45
My experience was the opposite - nothing but trouble running radials on one peice - at least 1 and usually 2 flats a trip. Then changed to splits and crossply tyres for only 1 flat despite them doing far tougher work and being bald. I am currently trying MTR on recomendation but at 2wice the price of 16 ply tyres they have alot of catching up to do
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:40
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:40
Hay Davoe, passed by the beautiful Widgiemooltha
Shell Roadhouse on the way back to
Perth Monday arvo, I new I had been there before many years ago.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:28
Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:28
Davoe ,
How is life on the Widgiemooltha Dome ?
I agree , splits and rags are the best to avoid staking , but everytone said I could not get splits for the 100 IFS at the time , so I ordered the 6.5 " one piece . I am not about to go and buy yet another set of wheels - there is a limit !
Willie .
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 01:00
Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 01:00
Willie
As u have found out....RFS rims will fit IFS, but not visa versa, and not legally...(track change) but if you want to go to the best
places in oz...i thoroughly agree that splitties and a spare tube rolled up is better than tyre pliers if things go pear shaped
I was in Tibaburra caravan park...got the
puncture on the main street, and the nearest fitter is 100's of kms away...30 minutes and it was fixed.....another 10 minutes and a patch was on the spare tube.
:@)
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:32
Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:32
Hi Dozer ,
Why does a track change make the splits illegal on the 100 IFS . Does it make the track narrower . It would be good if it made it narrower - it would be easier to stay in the wheel tracks of the othere cars - a real problem with the IFS which adds to the staking problem .
Chjeers ,
Willie .
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 12:30
Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 12:30
Hi Willie
It would actually make the track wider...because each IFS rim is 40mm deeper than a RFS i believe....so if this is fact... they will each widen the track 20mm without sticking out too far more than usual and more appropriately, not sticking as far in as usual.......now this is ok for you....but if anything did go pear shaped....and the insurance company got involved.....you could be looking at paying for repairs yourself...or worse still....if a corener got involved....charges could be laid....if you put the splittiies back on...measure from the middle or each tyre and you will get track measurement...compare to std spec and see if this is infact the case.....to dot the eyes...a visit to the local engineer for aproval would be the way to go....or maybe a rim change can be sorted.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 15:08
Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 15:08
Thanks Andrew - good info .
Willie .
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Reply By: Russ - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 22:09
Wednesday, Feb 15, 2006 at 22:09
Willie,
I had splitz on the hi lux and was always getting punctures. Most were from water in the rim, rust builds up chafes the tubes, goes flat.
Now have a 100s and would not go to splitz.
Pickle
(ouch!!!!)
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