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Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 17:28
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afternoon all
after some information from HONEST tojo owner/drivers who tow caravans.
with my 4.2l turbo intercooled patrol manual towing my 2t van we average 20 l/100ks+or _ ( more often + with head wind and hills ) depending on conditions i would just like some comments on what tojo owners get in similar situations in both manual and auto models

steve

ps average speed about 95-100ksph
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 17:52

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 17:52
Well Steve, what with no b/s, and looking for HONEST answers, I thought I'd save you the embarrassment of posting a thread that will get NO replies!!!!

At least you got like..... one reply. Oh, and the answer..... aw hell...... 42?

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:43

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:43
Beat me to it Wolfie - but you were wrong - it's 54.

Mike Harding

PS. You didn't listen to the second series did you? :)
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:01

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:01
92 80 series factory turbo diesel auto towing large camper trailer + boat on roof rack at 100/110 klm per hr = 20miles to the gallon ,,, you can work the conversion ,HONEST.
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Follow Up By: Ruth from Birdsville Caravan Park - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:35

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:35
HONESTLY, Alloy c/t, you sound like a used car saleman. 'Would you buy a used car from this man?' LOL. LOL.
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Qld - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:48

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:48
Ruthie

Tell im he's dreamin

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:56

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:56
OT: But I'll never understand why.......when we buy our fuel in "litres" and all our vehicles have odometers that read in "kilometers".........why then do people still go to the trouble of calculating their economy in miles per bloody gallon. I'm a 51 y/o (okay next week I will be!!! hahaha), so it's not as though I haven't been there, done that as far as talking in mpg is concerned......it's simply that after a VERY short period of mental adjustment, I find it quite easy to talk in klm/ltre or ltrs/100klm.
Sorry for the rant, I'll spare you the other pet hate I have at the moment (ie: people who refer to the year we are in as "two thousand and six" or the year that we will be in 30 years time as "two thousand and thirty six"........surely it'll be "twenty thirty six"??? Oh bugga, I promised to spare you from this!!!!!!!!! ;-)))
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Follow Up By: Member - Jon W (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:03

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:03
Roachie,
From one who is 51 years old, hear hear!
Jon W
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Qld - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:04

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:04
Gerday Roachie

I always thought of it as "MMVI" or "MMXXXVI" .... but then again ... like you .... I've been around for a while.

Cheers cobber
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:42

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:42
You bloody whippersnappers! That's what's wrong with the younger generation, no respect for the older generation and our ways :)))))))))
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:56

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:56
Roachie + Rossco + Jon W et all , OK ,so all in our 50s, so all went to school in gallons and miles , so what is the problem ??? at least a TRUE indication of fuel use !!! lt per 100 or klm per lt = 1 big number one way or the other ,simple math to convert 1 system to the other or are we all to old and now "need" a calculator for basics ,, and to go back to perspectives "why are drag races still in 1/4 miles and terminal speeds in miles per hour" ,,
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Follow Up By: stano - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:24

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:24
I was amazed when a Maths teacher friend told me about 282. If you want to convert Miles Per Gallon to Litres per 100kms you divide 282 by the MPG figure and if you want to go the other way you can convert Litres per 100 kms to MPG by simply dividing the number 282 by the number of litres . Try it if you still think in MPG and want to break the habit!
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:20

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:20
Good to someone from Birdsville on the go . I think birdsville would be the only place place in Qld where one can buy Fritz [Chapmans Fritz too].Now all the Eastern Staters will be scratchin the neck about that,I;m an Old Crow-Eater from waaaaaaaaaay back
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Reply By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:46

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:46
I got and average of 18litres/100km from my Landcruiser T/D auto with Tvan on the back and Tinnie on the roof over the whole of the Kimberley trip we did last year - Melbourne to Broome. We sit on 110kph on the highway.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:58

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:58
Give or take a white post = 15 miles to the gallon !
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:26

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:26
Should get quite a tax deduction for the fuel this year by the sound of it! Sounds pretty poor economy at 15mpg!
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:43

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:43
Only "sounds" poor ,, base weight of cruiser ? 2 ton ? camper 1 ton ? fuel /water /boat/ motor/ food/ clothing /recovery gear/ human beans/ ect ect probably 4 ton rolling so 15mpg not that bad !! Was invited to "nostalgia" drag races on Sunday , XY falcon used 3 gallon per 1/4mile ,for 9.54 passes ,,thats ECONOMY, lol.
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Follow Up By: Wizard2 - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:25

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:25
Tvans weight 2 tonnes..what the...he was asking about towing a 2t van not 2 Tvans

At least compare apples with another fruit and not a vegetable...
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Reply By: disco driver - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:43

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:43
Greetings All
These figures are about normal for both Nissan & Toyota.
OK- I have also had a Range Rover or two and they are not fuel misers either
Having driven all of these why do you think I'm a Disco Driver?
99 TD5 Auto regularly turns in 10.5Km/Litre or better on it's own (at or about 110kph) and on last trip towing 15ft 6 Poptop over 4000km never went below 8.1Km/L.
Average tow speed 95-105kph

Cheers
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:33

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:33
Hello - how are you guys calculating your "average speed". To average 100kph (for example) you would need to travel above this for most of the trip as there will be considerable periods when you are traveling less than this (eg start, finish, towns, traffic) Is this what you are trying to say or are you just stating the maximum speed you normally travel at? Just curious.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:59

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:59
OK! Point taken.

I'll correct it to the following.
Normal road speed solo on open road 110kph +/- a bit
Normal Road speed towing on open road 95-105kph
In both instances road & traffic conditions will be taken into consideration as well
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Reply By: ian g - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:53

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 19:53
Hi Steve, I pedal a L/Criuser 100 series 6 cyl auto ulp and towing a Wndsor full size van dual wheels17 footer or there about. I average around 17 lt to 20lt per 100ks . The last L/C I had in 2000 was a diesil, after market turbo and towing a 14' pop top van to Darwin it seems to me cruising around 95 km does reduce fuel consumption a bit. Then again you have to feed the horses.Still convinced diesil turbo is the way to go. Ian
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:10

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:10
Hi Steve

I tow a heavy rig +- 2.3 ton when loaded with 200L of water, 2x 25L J cans, Honda eu20, food, fuel and beer. Car will have 2 spare tyres, waeco cf80, camera gear and laptop.

My average trip is...

4.5km / L (22L / 100) at 100 km/h or off road and beach.
5.0km / L (20L / 100) at 90 km/h highway
5.5km / L (18L / 100) at 85 km/h highway

Worst was Alice to Darwin at 140 km/h into the wind.

3.3km / L (30L / 100) at 140 km/h (Was sponsored by Castrol for that trip)



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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:20

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 20:20
Oh, Toyota 100 GXL ULP.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:36

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:36
Doing 140kph towing a van, wouldn't you say THATS A BIT DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But your a responsible driver, eh.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:41

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:41
Road trains pass you by on that raod at 135 km/h.

Stone damage is more of a concern.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:43

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:43
Only dangerous when the one behind the wheel lacks the ability or lacks confidence in his or her own ability, or, obviously in an incorrectly laden rig.

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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 08:13

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 08:13
You have got to be kidding me, so it's OK then to tow a trailer at 140kph, well there you go!!!

It's not safe to do 140kph without a trailer let alone with.

The people that know me, they know i don't hang around when on the road, but doing 140kph with a trailer on, is just plain stupid.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 08:59

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 08:59
Would like to see you passed by road trains doing 135km/h. Then tell then they are stupid.

You better be able to run faster than that !
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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:45

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:45
Yeah yeah just a poor excuse to justify your speeding, try getting overtaken by a roadtrain on a motorbike, stone chips are your last concern, i'll give ya the drum, and after you get the dust outaya dacks along with other stuff, ya find it in ya food and cooking gear, of coarse this after ya pick the bike up coarse you've been run off the bloody road!!!!

Stone chips, give me a break.

Baz.
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Reply By: Old Scalyback & denny - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:01

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:01
thanks for all the answers people it just backs up my thoughts that realistally they all get about the same
as for conversion its not a problem for a 55yo as i also learnt to swing both ways

steve
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Follow Up By: Ruth from Birdsville Caravan Park - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:15

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:15
LOL LOL - this was fun, wasn't it?
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:20

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:20
Hi Steve,

As you may be aware I also have a 4.2 turbo Patrol and tow A LOT. Caravan axle load when loaded is normally 2.3Tonne upwards plus obviously the ball weight. In this vehicle I get 20lt/100km almost always.
The same van with the same weights was also towed by my previous vehicle. A 100 series N/A diesel cruiser. It also used to get 20lt/100km. The glaring difference is that the Nissan eats up my old cruiser in the speed stakes, so everthing being equal (ie: if I was to sit on the same speed as I used to) the Nissan gets better fuel economy with my driving style.
I have heard the T/D cruiser will walk all over the Nissan T/D (in standard form) as far a speed when towing is concerned and still return MUCH better fuel figures than the Nissan. As you would be aware though, the 15 - 20 grand price difference buys A LOT OF FUEL.
My truck has 250K on it now and still feels as tight today as it did when I bought it, so if you haven't got big K's on yours I would reccomend sticking with what you already got. UNLESS YOU KNOW OF SOMETHING I DON'T.
That's my 2 bobs worth, hope it helps.

Regards Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:48

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:48
Hey Trevor,
Why is it I had this image of you slinking off out the door with your hands across your mouth at Redbacks comments. Hehehe

Avagoodn
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:08

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:08
Thanks Pezza,

I actually didn't see redbacks comments until now. I will not add fuel to the fire but your response was apt and accurate in my opinion. So lets just leave it at that hey hehehehe.

Cheers Trevor.
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Reply By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:40

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:40
I average 12L/100kms from my TD Landcruiser Auto, getting as low as 8 normally up to 15 when towing the camper or in soft sand. Mind you, I've got 4 Hiclones fitted and a Fitch, which I'm sure makes a big difference.

D-Jack
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Reply By: Big Woody - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:13

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:13
Hi Steve,

I have an 80 series Turbo Diesel Manual and last weekend I dragged a 24ft caravan 900km, most of it through mountain country, and it returned 18litres/100km.
I was expecting it to use a lot more fuel than that so I am very happy.

From previous experience though I have found small changes to make big differences in fuel consumption. I still have 265/75/16's on the cruiser and I am intending to go up to 285's next time round and I would expect my fuel consumption to also go up.
Also I previosly had a Sahara landcruiser that dropped 2mpg when I put the bullbar on and another 4mpg when I put a full roofrack on so there are a lot of variables connected to your question.

Cheers,
Brett
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Reply By: boo boo - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:24

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:24
Just finished a return trip to Gold coast from Scone. Went there via the New England Highway, up hill and down dale. Got 20l to 100km.
Returned via Toowooba and Gundy which is a fairly flat road and still only got 20l to 100 km. Idrive a 1995 troopy, 4.2 after market turbo, and tow a 20' regent van weighing about 2.2t.
Bob
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Reply By: Member - Charlie M (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:13

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:13
Just got back from west aust this week
Prado TD 2005 auto. Going over and back to Norsman 5 to 5.5km to lt. Topped up with 30lts at widdge before Norsman to make Norsman. 4.4 to 4.8 km to lt, back to Kimba, (SA) Have changed filter and hope this will return better fuel usage.
Tow 5.8mtr poptop 90 to 95kph. Total weight of rig 4.45 tonne.
Had head wind both ways across nullarbor, stronger going than returning.
Hopes this helps
Cheers
Charlie
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 15:37

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 15:37
Where can you buy fuel by the gallon in Oz? And find roads/maps distanced in miles?

Do you REALLY convert litres into gallons - and kms into miles just so you can think in miles/gallon?? If so why! (I'm been 50 for close to 30 years and I don't do that!).

Do you not have problems with all those Roman numerals?
Collyn
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