towing with a 3ltr trb deis patrol

With the amount of 3.0 patrols out there doing serious work, the number that have blown up is not as major as a lot on this forum will admit.

Yes it is a problem, but some on this forum are going on as though it's as common as bombings in Iraq.

Sorry to here about your misfortune, but my 3.0 patrol which has 110,000 klm has towed our jayco camper (ok, so it's not 2 ton, so what?) to broome and back and all over the south west with absolute ease, good fuel economy, power for overtaking, it eats hills, and it doesn't get hot.

I guess I'm just saying I think it's wrong to say to someone - - - - - -

" you will undoubtably explode as we did "

G'day,
3 tonne with auto patrol is unfortunately illegel/unroadworthy and therefore-UNINSURED.

Ins. companies are right on to these things these days, not worth the risk in my opinion.
Matt

gday troopy you have really got me stressin out now my patrol is stock standard factory fitted 3 ltr turbo auto why is that illegel !!!!!!!!!
i have never heard of this before !!!!!!

If you look at the Nissan Australia Website you'll see that you can tow 3200kg with the Manual 3.0l TD and only 2500kg with the Auto.

Since 3t is over the allowed weight for an auto, if you had an accident you could be considered unregistered and theoretically your insurance wouldn't cover it and Third Party injury coverage may be void as well.

I suspect that they would have to prove that the accident was contributed to by overloading the vehicle,and specifically that the cause was related to the drivetrain as this is the only thing different between the two models.

Peter

i said my boat was no heavier than 2 tonne.
so i guess i am legal now

Yes Outlaws, you are legal, I think the comment by Troopytracker was pointing out that Outbacktourer was not legal.

Peter

the outlaws,
I posted the above message as a follow up to Outbacktourer, sorry to scare you.

pjchris, you say-
"I suspect that they would have to prove that the accident was contributed to by overloading the vehicle,and specifically that the cause was related to the drivetrain as this is the only thing different between the two models."

I have to disagree. If you are operating the vehicle outside manufactuers limits, you are unroadworthy and that's good enough for them to wipe you - My insurer told me exactly this. You could have the boat attatched to the car parked on the side of the road and have someone plow into it and run, and they'd still be able to wipe you. Maybe/hopefully they wouldn't, but they could. Some people can live with the risk, maybe they do it only occasionally so the risk is lower whatever, others wouldn't be comfortable with the risk knowing all the facts.

Matt

My personal opinion on this is that this particular vehicle exists in a very wierd grey area.

The basic vehicle, Chassis, body suspension, wheels tyres etc are more than capable of handling the 3200kg limit of the manual transmission model. Then they take the manual out, insert an automatic, change nothing else, and you lose 700kg of towing capacity.

I think that Nissan lower the towing weight because the Auto transmission simply won't take the strain if you were to tow over 2500kg continuously. It's a reliability and warranty thing. Nothing to do with the rest of the vehicle. It's not going to run off the road, collapse the suspension, cause tyre blowouts etc just because you put 2600kg on the back. It might break the transmission (And I stress the might) and this could cause an accident.

This is the only vehicle I know of that is in this situation.

And in my dealings, Insurance companies aren't all that bad either. They don't 'wipe you' if it's not your fault even if your vehicle is technically unroadworthy. Look at all those 4WD running around with larger tyres. they are generally ALL unroadworthy but the Insurance companies don't 'wipe' them. Nearly every 4WD properly set up for outback touring with Bullbar, winch, roofbasket, rear drawers, suspension lift etc is unroadworthy as they are over GVM or have tyre/suspension lift irregularities and the insurance companies generally pay out on them.

If the accident is caused by you and contributed to by the item that causes the vehicle to be unroadworthy then yes, they probably would 'wipe' you. But they'd have to know about it first.

Peter