Big Red
Submitted: Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:15
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Ian Grose
Photos of Big Red in the Simpson look pretty daunting. Do many people actually get over it?
Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:16
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:16
Yep!
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 21:59
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 21:59
That Troopy looks familiar
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 22:25
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 22:25
Yeah sure looks good out front of my house eh??
Nice to catch up even if it was at 100 km/ph
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Trekkie (Member - WA) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:46
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:46
Hi
John
Wish I had taken a copy for you. In the West last week there was a photo of your house - sorry to say, but while you have been away the wreckers have moved in - if you dont get back soon it will be a vacant block
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:52
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:52
Trekkie can't be
mine, you must be mistaken I'm sitting in it right now.
P.S. Did I get a lot of money for it?
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:26
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:26
Ian,
Big Red changes from year to year. Last year in October was the easiest crossing of Big Red that I have done. 2nd gear, high range, 40klm per hour and just went straight up. West to east.
Other years 4th gear high range and 80kph at the bottom and only just make it. West to east.
Once you do make it, the bowl at the top can also be a challenge as it also changes from year to year.
There is also a Little Big Red and a few people think that they have climb Big Red but they have only done the little one.
I will be attempting Big Red 3 times this year. Not on the one trip but on three trips in both directions.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: andymitch - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:44
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:44
Don't skite Wayne, Most of us would love to be in your shoes. Maybe some day I'll be able to join you on one of those trips.
Andy
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:58
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:58
Yep 3 goes before I hit the bottom with enough speed to get up and over.
1st time just to slow.
2nd time backed of just short of the top so I would not take off and immediately lost to much momentum.
3rd time I think I hit the bottom at about 90 K/m hour and kept it going.
Bit of a heart pumper at those speeds.
Also good fun having to back down if you don't make it. LOL
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Follow Up By: Sargent Dan - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:48
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:48
Gee, don't you get scared doing this stuff out in the desert so far from anywhere. What about at night, must be pretty spooky.
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Follow Up By: Member - Marquis - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:04
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:04
John, Sound like your tyre pressures were to high.
< 15 psi
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:09
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:09
About 18 psi allround in a 3.5 tonne Troopy during January when no one else had been near the dune for weeks.
Sand was soft as hell, Pressure to high
well always easy to speculate with hindsight.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - David 0- Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:36
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 18:36
I can confirm in 2004 it required quite a run up to make it, and less than 15 psi in the tyres of our Rangie, though that was mid afternoon, when the climb is probably most difficult.
If you tackle it in the early morning before the sun gets too high, it can be quite a bit easier.
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Reply By: Old Johno [NSW] - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:01
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:01
Ian,
Did big red last july. Tyres at 18PSI as it was just after the rain, 3rd low in 4.2 gu intercooled turbo with 3' Ehaust. Is a real thrill so have a go
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Reply By: Ruth from Birdsville Caravan Park - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:02
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:02
If you want to go into the Simspon Desert (or come out of it as
well) you must go over Big Red. It is much easier from east/west but gives many people hours of enjoyment (big boys toys stuff) and they play on it for hours. The actual
sand dune runs north/south (as do all the dunes in the Simpson) so contrary to all those people who can't leave
home without a GPS a crossing of the Simpson is easy - if the dunes goes north/south then the crossing goes east/west. LOL. Now, Big Red is not the only big dune in the Simpson and I firmly believe there are bigger out there - it's just that Big Red is impressive with its large sand blow (very large at the moment), and being only 35 klms from town gets lots of attention and photos. Don't let anyone scare you - it's tons of fun out there in the Desert, and like Wayne said, if you do your tyres correctly, it should be like a Sunday drive.
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 21:13
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 21:13
I towed a tandem trailer as back up for a Polaris 6 wheel drive across the Simpson back in September 2001 (do you remeber that Ruth, it was before I knew you?) When we applied for our permits they said you will never tow that across the desert so we went out to Big Red that afternoon to try because we certainly didn't want to get stuck or cause anyone any trouble. We were able to drive up the eastern side without any trouble but it took a few tries to work out a technique for the western side. We also had an extensively modified 3lt Nissan Patrol auto. 8" body lift on the chassis 40" Mickey Thomson tires 15" wide on custom wheels and same for trailer running at 12lb. Detroit locker front diff. We also were very
well prepared, we built the trailer ourselves before we left
Cairns and it still broke but we had generators, welders and heaps of spares with us and repaired it in the desert. We found more difficult dunes in the desert than Big Red some steep ones weave up and difficult to maintain momentum even more difficult to back a tandem trailer back down knowing if you made a mistake you couldn't go forward without momentum. It took six day to cross the desert the Polaris only had a range of 80 klms I was carrying all the spares and fuel so he had to wait till we caught up to refuel. Was a fantastic trip across to Mnt Dare then old Andando? to Alice back to
Cairns. Cheers Rob
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Follow Up By: Ruth from Birdsville Caravan Park - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:08
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:08
Yes, Rob, I do remember the Polaris coming through. Don't forget though it was September - after thousands had been over and knocked the tops off most of the dunes - it does make it much easier (not as much challenge though!!).
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Reply By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:12
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:12
Hi Ian
We went out to Big Red last year while we had a couple of days in
Birdsville, we went up and down it several times and it was great fun, there was a youth group out there, and one girl had several attempts - I think she had to reverse down it about 4 times before the tyre pressures were dropped further and she made it over, to the delight of the crowd [incl us] on the top.
I'm looking forward to having another crack at it next year.
cheers
Lyn
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Reply By: Ian Grose - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:13
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:13
Thanks for the advice - we'll have to give it a go, although hitting a sand
hill at
80 kmh sounds like more than a Sunday drive.
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Follow Up By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:43
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:43
you'll have a blast Ian,
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:28
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:28
Ian my apologies for hijacking your thread for a moment ....but have any of you guys tried both Big Red and Mount Doughboy (on the
Border Track)? If so, how would you rate them by comparison?
Cheers
Pete
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:53
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:53
Really is that's what it's called Mt Doughboy. I've never heard it named before.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 20:17
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 20:17
Big Red is higher and requires a longer run up.
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Follow Up By: Glenn (VIC) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 22:31
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 22:31
It all depends on the conditions at the time.
Big Red changes every time I have been to it. First year it was a long run up with lots of speed to get over the top. Second year I couldn't get up after many attempts, even had troubles getting over
Little Red. Third year you could start from the bottom of the dune and cruise up without a worry.
I still think Mt Doughboy (now that I know its name) is a tougher dune as the sand is deeper from further out, the track is thinner and has more twists and turns.
This is just my opinion.
Cheers
Glenn
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 22:36
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 22:36
Yeah some good points in there Glenn.
Your right about the twists and turns on Mt Doughboy.
Cheers
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:42
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 19:42
Did it in a Ford Explorer in 2002 race w/end , what more can one say ,
Bulwer to Blue lagoon track on
Moreton island can / is in general just as hard . Big Red by itself would be a good name for a cat.
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 20:51
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 20:51
In 1987, when some of you crowd were just littlies, I attempted Big Red in a Suzuki 1.3 from the west.
Dropped tyres down to about 15psi. Was running BFG Muddies. Right at the top of BR there was a sand blow that nobody had crossed for a while and after the third attempt I still could not get over. So on the fourth attempt right at the sand blow I turned the Zook to the right and at an angle and 6000rpm I targeted the spinifex clumps and screamed over the top. The missus' hair went
grey at that moment..lol
Last year I cruised over on the chicken run( the track to the right on BR) but the old GQ did not have the oomph to get over the straight run. Oh
well...win some, lose some...
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 20:58
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 20:58
You need a turbo!!!
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Follow Up By: Boo - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 21:20
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 21:20
Evening William..
We'll be doing the Simpson early June in a GQ 4.2 efi Petrol, when you said the GQ didnt have enough oomph, what motor do you have. Just curious as to how our beast is going to perform.. (our first big trip..)
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 21:29
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 21:29
John
LOL
Boo
4.2 litre diesel non turbo. A ggody(as long as you are not in a hurry...lol)
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Follow Up By: slave - Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:01
Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:01
Boo
In July 2005 our GQ 4.2 TD made it over first go.
Mrs Slave
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Reply By: lifeisgood - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 22:24
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 22:24
Had a look at BR from Birdsvillle side in September. The first couple of hours was spent watching and helping extract a full size tourist bus with large trailer. The driver had tried to turn around on a sandy track at the base of
Big Red and gone down deep with both rear axles. What would they do without a bunch of friendly 4bys.and some spades. A two vehicle tow got the bus out, then back for the trailer.
Meanwhile a Suburu entertained ,making it over the dune but couldn't quite get back. A Landcruiser winch got him up the last 10 metres which was incredibly steep on the western side --great effort.
By then I didnt feel like mucking around with tyres (too damn hot) so I just had a few goes with hard tyres on the Patrol. No problems to the top. However with the caravan back in Ruthland I decided against dropping down the other side which had a 2metre (seemingly almost vertical )
cliff at the top. Especially since everyone had gone by then. Loved the view from the ridge though.
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 23:11
Tuesday, Mar 07, 2006 at 23:11
Not sure why so many previous responses talk about hitting the dune at between 40 & 80 kph for when from a standing start half way up in first high it's possible to drive over the steeper of the 2 tracks on the west side. Pictures of 2 wheel drives jumping over the top show it's really not that daunting. (most of the time)
An old mate even got half way up the east side in his 52
seat Denning bus just for a laugh :-))
Cheers Craig.........
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:11
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 00:11
I don't think its daunting, Its just different everytime you do it for one reason or another.
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Reply By: Redback - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:16
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:16
Here ya go have a look at this link to a video
GOING UP
BIG RED
Baz.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:00
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:00
Oh i forgot to mention this was from the EO National gathering at
Birdsville.
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Reply By: greybeard - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:50
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:50
subaru 1600, std 13" road
tyres
pic
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:52
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:52
That old hilux brought back some memories.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 22:46
Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 22:46
Nice pics greybeard
You must have beed around
Birdsville and
Innamincka the same time as me I have some of the same photos
Richard
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Reply By: Gossy - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 13:00
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 13:00
sorry if this has already been mentioned but the
forum is too long to read. You need to take the right hand turn at the base of the large dune on the main road to go to the more difficult dune. More challenging as a run up is not as easy because the track is quite bumpy. Coming back up from the non
birdsville side is harder. You haven't really done
Big Red unless you do this dune.
Have run! I had trouble at 23psi. Got up in 18psi though. Lacked a bit of power being in a 2.8 TD GQ patrol.
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Reply By: Russ - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 21:40
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 21:40
Ian,
We did it in 2003 (Aug), 2.8 '89 diesel, fully laden, flat chat. Started a long way back changed down thru all the gears back to 1st, making it over te top.
"I dun it"
Prickle
PS Mind you had about 5 tries. :):)
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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 23:09
Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 23:09
Picture taken at the top in 2004. Lower
tyres to 16 and use low 3.
Peter
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Reply By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Mar 14, 2006 at 00:03
Tuesday, Mar 14, 2006 at 00:03
Hello
Is
Big Red actually big as far as sand dunes go? From the topo I have its not even 60m high!..or is it just steep? Whats the whoo haa?
Sounds like another bit of sand where tyre pressures are the key.
Callcup
Hill in WA is a beauty - 0m to 200m in about ~ 3km...I suppose if it was in the Simpson it would be called Great White. Yaaa hoooo:)
Cheers
Greg
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