3.0lt Patrol engine failure.

Submitted: Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 02:23
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Caught up with an old mate on the weekend who works at Nissan in Perth.Reckons they,ve replaced about 10 engines so far.Mainly a little while ago.None lately suuggesting they might be getting better.I asked his thoughts for the problems,he thinks maybe too much strain on a small engine.Also reckons heaps of Extrail engines being replaced,catylitic converters getting over heated or something.After saying some time ago my work Patrol doesn,t over heat,on the weekend with 2 tonnes on the tray(6 wheeler)and towing tandem trailer with about 2 tonnes it got a bit hot.Not bloody suprising really but it still had a fair bit of grunt.(have 4.2 turbo motor.)
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 02:45

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 02:45
ahh the ubiqutous mate, so none lately? does this mean they get better with age? or were only 10 sold in the first place and now they are all fixed
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 06:36

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 06:36
That sounds good about 10 so far but none lately.
That's only in Perth what about the rest of the country.
It would be interesting to see a total number of replacements.

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: Ken - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:26

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:26
Here we go again ! Been all quiet on the 3 litre front for a while but didn't have to wait too long before a 'mate of a mate' story appears. Yeah some have destroyed themselves, can't deny that, but what is the real story?
Was it the same when 80 series bearings were grinding themselves to paste? Truth is all vehicles have their lemons and associated horror stories. Prado heads is a story in itself.
Fellas, your car doesn't get any beeter because you bag another make; it isn't necessarily a fact because a mate tells you so.
I know, I know, it is hard when the manufacturer won't come clean either but how about unless you know first hand of a failure, AND you know what went wrong, AND you can provide some real details of the case, all you gossipers give it a rest and post some useful stuff here. The forum is supposed to inform but I see little information coming from these posts.

Ken
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:30

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:30
Why is it you opened the thread if you're sick of the tales of the 'trol 3 litre? It's a forum. A disucussion. If you don't want to chat, don't chime in! Sounds like someone owns a Series I 3.0 and is a tad touchy about it!

Oh and I must've missed the bit about someone saying their make of truck is better than someone elses, or the bit about them bagging a particular make?

Scoey
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Follow Up By: lynnierees - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:52

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:52
To be fair Ken, I am one of those people who is experiencing first hand the patrol problem, and this site has been a huge help to me. Just to find out where to go, who to go to, and the fact that I'm not the only person with problems helps.
I won't be providing the 'real details of the case' as you put it, until I have a positive resolution from both the Dealer and Nissan.
As far as i can see this is a forum for people to share information and help each other.

Thanks to all of you who have.

lynnie
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:56

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:56
Hi Lynnie,

Top point! There's one too many forumites on this site that like to don the "Forum Police" hat and tell people what they should and shouldn't post instead of using the site for exactly what it is - a top, informative site! Geez, listen to me whinge! haha! Righto, I'm off the sopabox - it's a pet peeve! Hope ya's understand! ;-)
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Follow Up By: Dave Thomson - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 15:30

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 15:30
Hi All,
could'nt agree more, and that's why I want you to stay in touch Linnie, when we find out how Nissan have or have not looked after you, then we'll know what we're up against if it happens to us, I'll give you my email again, or for anyone it's happened to please feel free to let me know, write to dandat@dodo.com.au and address it " Nissan Patrol "
that way it wont get deleted,
thanks in advance,
Dave
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Follow Up By: Ken - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 16:23

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 16:23
Got no problem if as in Linnie's case some useful information is posted then it IS worthwhile. If it is only to post some 'mate of a mates story is is worthess an doesn't help anyone who is having troubles. If you think the post provided any new info or advice to anyone with 3 litre problems you must have a different version. It also seems strange that the stories disappear for a while then pop up again, who knows if it the same story all over or a new failure.
For the record I don't have a series 1 Patrol and don't see myself as a 'forum cop' whatever that means and I'm as interested as anyone to read so much of the useful stuff that appears here. Not so interested in gossip and rumour though.

Ken

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Follow Up By: Scoey - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 17:10

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 17:10
Ken,
My point was simply, if you don't want to read it - then don't. I see you've come back for a second look but, so it would appear that you are in fact interested in this thread or thought that some useful info might come from it. Or did you just want to see how your stir went??

How does it make the thread any more useful by you putting up a comment telling people they shouldn't post threads like this? The only purpose your comment would serve, is to make people who are long time visitors to the site that rarely post, think twice about starting a thread for fear that someone like you will come and give them an metaphorical earbashing!

Pull ya head in mate, if you're not interested - don't read it!
Scoey
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:54

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:54
Thnaks for the report. Maybe Nissan has minimised that problem now.

Maybe time for other lemon stories too.

I had a NB (1985) pajero that did 5th gear bearings.
Took Mitsubishi 3 to 4 years to recognise the problem, and it happened at about 90,000 to 100,000k.

Of course, I was doing 45,000 a year and it cost me $900.00 in 87 to fix. A year or so later Mitsubishi would have done it for free.

Then thre was the early 80 series with cracking chassis. Travelled with one to cape york, and besides alot of things falling off, once he got back tot a toyota dealer, they also checked for a cracked chassis at the front and reckon he was lucky he didn't have one. They had seen 5 in 3 months. Later model 80 series had stiffening added.

Now we have the independent front end 100 series dropping front suspensions.

And was it the 60 series that used to pump gearbox oil into the transfer case?

What else can you remember?

All we can do as owners is keep track of these things and drive and maintain the car accordingly. There never will be a perfect car, either in design or engineering!

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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:52

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:52
Yeh ! and a $20 bi-pass pipe fix's the problem on the 60, so I wouldn't throw stones on such a reliable vehicle. They are still going strong, which is more than I can say for some newer ones ! Yes, I own one & I would take it anywhere tomorrow without a DOUBT in the world.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:11

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:11
What about the 60 Series burning valves . Toyota replaced mine N/C the first time it happened ( out of warranty ) and also my partners . The second time it happened , I put ina 5 Litre Holden V8 with a Turbo 400 box .
The petrol 60 motors were a real dud .
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:27

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:27
Yeah and I had a '76 Mazda 929 once that had tyres that wore out too! Tried getting them replaced under warranty but the dealer said that the warranted wasn't valid anymore! Something about the car being 25 years old! After sales service these days sure is slack! LOL!!!
Scoey.

PS not havin a go at anyone - just had one too many coffees! ;-)
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:48

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:48
Stop playing with your WILLIE I"m talking about a DIESEL !
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:04

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:04
For an old fart like me , an engines' an engine ( not sure about that hyphon ).
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Willie .
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Reply By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:24

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:24
I dont it has anything to do withthe size of the engine.. I have a 2.8 GU which has 180000k's on it (not all mine) and apart from a clogged radiator it hasn't missed a beat.. and I haven;t heard of anyone having problems with the 2.8 except not being as nippy as the 3 and not as torquey as the 4.2.. I am convinced it is a design flaw in the 3.0
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Reply By: Redback - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:27

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:27
Seems to rear it's ugly head over and over again, jeezzuuus leave it alone for christ sake, yawn yawn yawn, so whoopdie doooo you have a 4.2ltr motor, i have a 2.5ltr turbo motor and it's a Land Rover, smick eh.

We get it already

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:32

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:32
Ahhh, you drive a Landy eh? Yeah, I get it! ;-)

Cheers
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Follow Up By: stevesub - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:49

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:49
Friend of ours had a total rebuild on her TD5 engine (Disco) last year just out of warrenty and LR did not even want to know. Engine had been serviced by the book, went bang, new bearings, pistons and turbo plus all the associated machining.

Still, she has just bought a new Defender with TD5 engine. Her family now has 7 Landies.

Stevesub

2 x Landies
1 x Troopy
1 x Nissan Terrano II

All with no problems in the engine dept - yet!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:26

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:26
scoey, 120,000ks not a problem, lifted, locked and chipped, pull a mountain down, this Disco will.

Oh i did blow the planetry gears in the diff when i dropped the clutch at 3500rpm with a 1400kg trailer on the back and loaded to the gunnels, :-(( to it's credit we still went away that weekend, even snatched a 4b out of the mud as well.

My point was It's bad enough that the 3.0ltr owners have to worry about the engine failures, but to keep reminded them of it, i think they know already.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:52

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:52
Hey Baz,

Yeah I know mate, I would even consider a diso as a potential vehicle if I could fit in them (I'm tall, not fat!). I was just pokin' fun!

Yeah I know the 3.0 club have plenty to worry about and all, but I guess in the end discussion leads to awareness, which can only be good in the long run. And if they have to wear a smart arse comment from the rest of us along the way then so be it - the tables will turn one day and I'm sure I'll be on the recieving end of same comments one day and I'll take them with good humour - but you'd be all to aware of stuff like that being a Landy owner eh? haha! Sorry mate, there I go again! ;-)

Cheers
Scoey
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Reply By: signman - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:07

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:07
A mate of mine cousin's workmates uncle was speaking to a bloke in the pub last week (or was it the week before)..and he was saying he knew of a fellow that blew a tail light globe in his 12 months old 100 series Toyota Landcruiser!!
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:28

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:28
Whats Toyota doing about this major failure.
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Follow Up By: hl - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:41

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:41
Hmm
Interesting you should mention that.
Actually, it is surprising how many fairly new cars on the road have tail lights or brake lights out on one side.... maybe they don't make the bulbs like they used to.....
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Follow Up By: signman - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:41

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:41
Redback
From what I understand, another bloke- who's not related to the other bloke- reckons there's going to be a full recall from the 40 series on. It is a major recurrent problem.
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:59

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:59
Actually signman, it gets worse...

The bulbs aren't actually made by Toyota, they're made by a company in Korea and then "rebadged" as a Genuine Toyota item. This compnay also supply these bulbs to a number of other car manufacturers and the safety concerns are spreading quickly! This could be a world wide bulb PANDEMIC!!! All this was "exposed" on A Current Affair last night so it must be true! :-D

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Scoey!
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:33

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:33
Hahahahahahaha, funny stuff.
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Reply By: Flash - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:57

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:57
Now I could tell you about clutch plates on the old Triumph Stag...and that's a true story.
But I won't bother.
Gee, this thread is REALLY informative.
And I have a V4 90 HP 2 stroke motor. ..............................(on my boat)
LOL
Cheers
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Reply By: DARREN - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:50

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:50
yawn
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Reply By: Member - Paul J (ACT) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 13:46

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 13:46
FART!
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Follow Up By: The Bigfella - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 15:41

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 15:41
BELCH
BURP
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul J (ACT) - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 17:27

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 17:27
No, the belching and burping will be on Saturday, when I start swinging that tap I bought from, mmmmm BBBBEEEEEEEEEEERRRR!!!!
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 17:39

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 17:39
Jeez,
Now i'm gonna rush out and buy a Lada Niva then i'll have no probs. LOL.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

Cheers Dodg.

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Reply By: Pembs - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 18:57

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 18:57
Hi Guy's for your information I took my 3L GU 2001 into nissian today as it has also blown a piston. The nissian dealer said that he had one in two weeks ago. I have put in a after warranty claim and are waiting for nissians response which probably won't be good. I think that everyone must stand up for themselves and not let nissian get away with what is now a known fault.

Pembs
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Reply By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 19:25

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 19:25
Hi All,
Look people I have said this before, the 2000/2001 models had a problem, there is no denying this. But get over it, every new car has problems, I know not much help to the people with he older models. I am still running the survey and we have absolutely NO new failures. I'm afraid we are all going to have to find a new problem to talk about soon. When all the 2000/01 engines which blow up are replaced we will have nothing to talk about.

Scott
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Reply By: Member - David 0- Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 20:34

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 20:34
I had a PC...damn thing was the biggest lemon- never did what it was supposed to do. Bought 7 since, they're all the same.

Now I have a iMac G5...should have had one all along

Ooops I feel another war coming on. :-)
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 20:47

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 20:47
Yeah, In the middle of the PC acquisitive thing, I went for a Mac.

I might as well have bought a Lada Niva...lol
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 21:02

Wednesday, Mar 08, 2006 at 21:02
Beat you to it David O,
Been using macs for over 10 years now, OS X is the best thing since sliced bread.
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 13:16

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 13:16
I've spent most of my waking hours in front of a Mac of some sort over the past 16 years and still haven't been able to find a viable reason to add a PC to the 10 Macs in this office. They just keep getting better - the speeds of the new Intel Core Duo hardware are mind-blowing.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 17:35

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 17:35
Yeah Wow! I saw that Mac have just entered the real world by using Intel stuff.

Means they are only now 5 years behind the rest of the world as opposed to 10 before. somewhere around a Pentium 1 or 2 from something I read.
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 17:51

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 17:51
"Means they are only now 5 years behind the rest of the world as opposed to 10 before. somewhere around a Pentium 1 or 2 from something I read."

I read that too - right here, right now. So it must be true! Thank you for the benefit of your superior knowledge. I now feel somewhat enlightened.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 18:04

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 18:04
I am pleased that I have been able to enlighten you.
I will certainly sleep sounder tonight knowing that info.
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 18:07

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 18:07
Sweet dreams, possum!
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 18:12

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 18:12
Always!
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Reply By: Member - Steve & Paula - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 00:17

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 00:17
10 Nissans in Perth - Probably 10,000 on the road (maybe an exageration).... but seems close - failure rate 1 in 1000. Is this a problem?
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 00:29

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 00:29
Only if your in the middle of the Canning or the Simpson.

Nice feeling knowing they may fix it under warranty when your a couple of thousand K's from the nearest dealer.
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:26

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:26
Yes but in todays world, it is just an inconvenience no longer life threatening. This problem has been blown completely out of proportion, there are many 2000/01 models running around with high mileages. So if you are unlucky enough to suffer a failure and you are also unlucky enough to be out in the middle of nowhere on your own, already the odds are pretty high. All you do is pick up your satellite phone and let people know where you are, yes a major inconvenience and costly but not life threatening. Before you say, ahh but we do not all have satellite phones, then you should ask yourself this, is it responsible behaviour to be in the middle of nowhere on your own without one. They have plummeted in price recently and the running costs are also dropping like a stone.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 03:24

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 03:24
quote "there are many 2000/01 models running around with high mileages. unquote

friggin bad luck if your trying to sell one but!
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 09:40

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 09:40
Actually Scott, My thought on this post had nothing to do with it being life threatening.

My thought was another $5000.00 plus dollars in recovery costs that Nissan won't reimburse you for, not to mention the monumental headache as a result of the whole matter and the stuffed holiday.

Just look at the heartache that this issue has caused many a person on here, and lets face it everytime you go off road or for that matter even start the thing in the back of your mind is that little nagging doubt "Is today my day to stop in a cloud of white smoke"?

Maybe you should also ask the question "Is it responsible behavior to be in the middle of nowhere on your own in a vehicle that has serious reliability issues"?
Whilst every vehicle can and does breakdown, very few have the consistent rate of such serious failures as appears to be happening with this vehicle.

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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:17

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:17
John (Vic), "Is today my day to stop in a cloud of white smoke"?

Not likely anymore! My new 4.2tdi will be ready to pick up next week.

I have owned a 2000 model 3L for almost 6 years and have too many problems to list here. The donk is again becoming erratic in behaviour so I have opted to change over the Patrol. Having said that, my Patrol has done some very hard 4wding and has done it admirably, certainly with no lack of get up and go (dTronic). Sadly, MY particular Patrol (to reiterate - a 2000 model) has us worrying every time we do venture off, with the last big trip giving us two major engine scares on the Hume Highway.

Although I have not had the engine "blow" and the car has spent too much time in the workshops, I still think that the later 3L engines are great, and the Patrol a great touring wagon. I personally do not know of anyone who has had an engine blow - only second-hand reports.

I'm sure my new Cab Chassis will have some sort of problem in it's early stages, as do most vehicles, but at least the worry of a terminal engine failure out in the bush will not haunt me or distract from what should be an enjoyable time.

Luckily I got what I believe was a decent trade-in on my 3L. Funnily enough, the dealer asked me after the deal had been made if I had had any engine problems? Naturally I said "No", to which he replied "You've been lucky!".
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:37

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:37
Sounds great Craig, I wish you the very best with the new one.
The 4.2 appears to be rock solid and coupled with Nissan's reliable drive train it appears to be one of the best 4wd's out there.

And all the better that it brings you peace of mind.
I have read your prior posts on your 3 litre issues so am familiar with your stress levels so to speak.

Good luck and happy touring.

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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:39

Thursday, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:39
Thanks for the kind words John. I think the wife has been more worried than me. It was she, actually, who wanted a ute!
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