Question for all Mechanical Theorists!
Submitted: Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 11:35
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Member - Jeff M (WA)
Ryto, the surf has a "Throttle Body Heater", which basically is just a 3/8" hose that comes out of
the block, passes through the thorottle body and then goes back into
the block running the engine coolant through the throttle body.
Why is it there IMHO?
Ummm,
well I reckon it's there because the surf comes from a cold climate (Japan) and probally helps on those cold winter mornings to keep the beast running smoothly by heating the air before it enters the combustion chamber.
My Understandings (right or wrong, please correct me):
- Diesels run better when hot, it makes the fuel air mixture burn more efficiantly.
- Air is more dense when cooler and therefore carries more oxygene, which in turn will help the engine beathe better, have more power and use less fuel.
So what do I do?
Well my coolant is running between 90c and 110c on the highway and I'm assuming that it will be heating the air to between those same temps. Because it's after the turbo, I wonder if maybe it also works as a basic small air to water intercooler and is actually cooling the air straight after the turbo, but I really have no idea how hot the air out of the turbo is going to be.
Do I take it off and have a potentially higher O2 level and a better running vehicle, or leave it on?
Reply By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:30
Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:30
These ideas are not uncommon.
They stop the inlet manifold from icing up.
My FJ40 (2F Motor) had the inlet and exhaust manifolds bolted together. It used the exhaust gas as the heating source. This created another problem.
In the exhaust manifold was a deflector plate that after a while broke away. It'd turn
turtle and block the exhaust pipe where it left the manifold. Very effective exhaust brake.
Your quite accurate, they are really only useful in very cold climates.
When my mate had fibreglass kitted VW's he'd fit extractors and a different inlet manifold. The original exhaust and manifold passed exhaust gas across the base of the inlet manifold just under the carby stopping manifold icing.
On real cold nights, I'm talking down to zero the inlet manifold would ice up and the car would stop. Most effective way to cure it was get out and pee on the inlet manifold.
Geoff.
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Reply By: Member - David 0- Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 09:37
Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 09:37
Although carburetor icing is frequently associated with winter, it can be a problem any time of year. Conditions favourable to icing are a combination of moist air and temperatures in the range between -13º C and +38º C. The temperature range most conducive for the formation of intake ice falls between approximately -5º C and +15º C.
Given moisture in the air—a relative humidity of at least 50%—and the correct temperature range, the formation of ice is likely.
Carburetor ice forms as a direct result of activities taking place within the carburetor itself, given the right conditions. The function of a carburetor is to vaporize liquid fuel, mix the vaporized fuel with air in correct proportion for combustion and deliver that mixture to the intake manifold for induction into the cylinders.
The process of vaporizing fuel—converting it from a liquid into a vapour—requires energy. That energy is available as heat stored in the fuel itself and in the air being used to transport it. As heat is used to assist the vaporization process, the temperature of the fuel and air decreases.
It takes energy to produce change.
Incoming air can decrease as much as 30º C in temperature as it passes through the carburetor.
The drop in temperature resulting from vaporization of fuel may cause water vapour carried by incoming air to freeze onto the carburetor barrel or the butterfly valve, also known as the throttle valve, which regulates the amount of fuel/air mixture being drawn into the intake manifold. This type of icing is called fuel vaporization ice because the icing results from the heat decrease of fuel vaporization.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 10:47
Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 10:47
Hey David, that's pretty cool, I can see that making perfect sense and I would have never thought of it that way, however I still don't think it's a problem for two reasons. 1. My vehicle is turbo'd, so the air going into the throttle body comes directly from the turbo which would be pre-heating the air under boost and also just purley because of the EGT's through the turbo, secondly the throttle body in a diesel has no fuel going into it, only air. Also, the metal air pipe that comes from the turbo goes over the top of the rocker cover (is bolted to it) so there is going to be a small amount of heat rising from the engine into the pipe anyway. So with all of those things, I don't reckon the air tempeture (in
Perth's climate anyway) would (under normal running temps) ever get below 15c. So I still think that the only time I could possibly experience a problem would be on a cold start, but even then I reckon it would be pretty unlikley.
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 11:32
Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 11:32
Jeff
I agree it is unlikely to be a problem.
Just provided the info, becasue as a pilot, I understand it doesn't require low temperature, just the right combination of temp and humidity. Fuel injected vehicles though similarly susceptable, are less so.
David
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