What to lease - Patrol or Cruiser

Submitted: Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 20:35
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So this has been asked time and time again in pervious posts and I still cannot make a decision. I currently own a 02 Patrol ST 3.0TD Auto and have an ARB roof rack, outback storage draws, dual batteries, CD stacker and GME TX4400 that I can swap over to a new Ser 4 Patrol. If I swap them over to a cruiser I suppose I would sell the ARB rack get one on the lease plan - so maybe $700 and its around $650 to get a new wing kit and cargo barrier for the draws, a new battery tray is only $150 and $450 for a new TX 3400 as the 4400 won't fit. So I suppose the choice comes down to a Patrol 3.0TD Auto ST-S, 4.8 Petrol Auto or Cruiser 4.7 Petrol Auto GXL. As it is on a lease I don't think I need to worry about fuel consumption but that may be a consideration if I decide to hold onto the vehicle or sell it (I am still yet to see what the story is with fuel consumption in the lease plan).

I do like the 3.0TD but when towing or climbing hills it hunts gears (harshly) and it is quite noisy. For highway work has anyone got any ideas on fuel consumption between the two?

We mainly use it for highway driving, towing boat up north, towing horse float. Nothing too extreme but I would like a 2" lift kit. Any comments would be appreciated!

Does the new 100 series come with rear air-con as standard?

Thanks
Justin
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Reply By: Brian B (Mackay Qld) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 21:28

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 21:28
Landcruiser diesel manual turbo!

I bet i get a heap of follow ups from patrol ownners for this reply!
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 23:36

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 23:36
nice!!

But i'd go Landy V8 manual!!

laura b
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:39

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:39
why? it's your opinion and you're entitled to it!

Leroy
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Reply By: Russ - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 21:59

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 21:59
Water, :)

If you are leasing, what is wrong with LC100 diesel?

Fuel consumption unladen 10.5l/100 to 12.5. Plenty power etc.

From what I have heard 3LTD Niss, towing (depending on what u r towing), may be under powered - tans probs down the track.

Go on do it right.

Go Toyo. U wont b sorry.

"Prickle"
(Waiting for membership to come thru)
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Follow Up By: H2O - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 23:10

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 23:10
Russ,
If you are refering to a 1HZ diesel I would never touch one again. I have a new cruiser ute for work and they are a slug - ok for a work horse but not in a wagon. As for a turbo diesel the lease costs are alot more and it incurs a large luxury tax so no good. The prices I have (ex GST) inc $5000 of accessories are:
Patrol ST-S 3.0TD Auto $52670
Patrol ST-L 3.0TD Auto $55574
Cruiser V8 Auto $57560 (this one has about $1300 of luxury tax)
Thanks
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Reply By: Outbacktourer - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 22:02

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 22:02
Answer = Patrol 3.0TD Auto ST-S + Dtronic + torque converter lockup switch from www.automatictransmission.com.au. Also, particularly when towing and always around town stay away from the O/D button, it's the work of the devil. Don't jump from the frying pan into the fire.
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Follow Up By: H2O - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 23:12

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 23:12
Othback tourer - are you saying to leave the OD off around town???
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 08:02

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 08:02
Yes, always. Having experimented I now use O/D when not towing only above 80KPH and towing above 100KPH. Also when towing I flick it off the minute the torque converter unlocks under load, if you are over 80KPH it will automatically lock again in 3rd and hold it pretty well.
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Reply By: ev700 - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 22:13

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 22:13
The LC 100 V8 is fantastic: heaps of grunt and get up and go. Sporty, finished off and well-mannered

I have LC 100TD auto and can highly recommend one if you are after a 'keeper'. It loves loads and hills, heaps of torgue and runs cool. Sweet to drive, and I get good fuel range.

The GXL post Sept 2005 make comes with rear airconditioning standard (my kids love it), 17" alloy rims and special lumbar support for driver. Everything is moving to 17" rims.

EV700
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Follow Up By: H2O - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 23:15

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 23:15
ev700,
Yes that rear air-con would be great I recon. Look at the size of these wagons and all they have is front air-con unless you buy a saraha or TI. You get rear air-con when you buy a base commodore.... But Toyota finally have done it - Yippie!!

Roughly what fuel consumption do you get: 1. highway driving, 2. around town, 3. towing or hilly work
Thanks
Justin
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Follow Up By: ev700 - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 09:57

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 09:57
H2O
Still running in but the LC gets better economy than the wife's EL Falcon around town and on the highway.

The LC TD remains economical towing our boat, especially at 95 - 100kph.

EV700
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Reply By: Member - Luxoluk - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 15:28

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 15:28
It is a wise idea to steer clear of the luxury car tax if you can. Given you already have a heap of accessories I'd suggest the Nissan 4.2td and keep your costs to below the LCT threshold. Get things c/o by the dealer but not as part of the invoice price or do it yourself if you can be bothered. The Nissan 4.2td is a capable vehicle and well suited to what you describe as its intended application. Unless big discounts are on offer the Toyotas are just too expensive. Cheers
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Follow Up By: H2O - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 16:30

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 16:30
Unfortunately I will not be looking at a 4.2l as I need auto for the wife. I have been calling aroung the dealers and the nissan ones refuse to do a 2" lift and they say it will void the warranty. The toyota dealers seen more keen to get me the accessories I want - we will just have to wait and see what $$ they come back with.
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Reply By: Golden - Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 22:40

Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 22:40
I have a 05 GUIV ST Auto 3.0TD on lease (salary sacrifice) Managed by Lease Plan.
44400 including racks tint towbar on road excluding GST

I purchased the Patrol after doing lots of research on Crusiers, Pajeros, & Prados.

Reasons for choice:

Price & Resale

Although they are the least car like to drive, they are they strongest for 4WDing. I wanted a 4WD to use it and I didn't want to worry about breaking front diffs or sagging front suspension after 12 months. If I wanted something nice to drive I would of purchsed a sedan.

I bought the 3.0 deisel for fuel economy (12.67 l per 100k avg so far 20k).
Lease Plan do over estimate the fuel costs. If your Lease is Salary Sacrifice you should get any unspent costs back at the end of the lease, (but beware, in my case if you give the car back during the lease any built up running costs you haven't used goes to Leaseplan). I estimate I will have 2k in unspent running costs at the end of the 3 year Lease. Next time I will do a twelve month lease and renew each year this way unpspent running costs are returned each year (better in my bank earning interest)

My second choice would of been the Pajero Diesel. (the resale was one of the deciding factors).

I would of considered a live axle Cruiser if you could get an auto.

Prado outpriced itself.

I haven't done any towing, so I can't coment on that but have done a bit of 4wding and it is excelent. My last 4wd was a manual and the auto is so much easier.

The patrol hasn't been without faults though.
The Oil Light sender replaced under warranty. (Oil Light was staying on)
Steering coupling replaced under warranty with a 1/2 spline offset steering coupling as the steering wheel was off centre to the left after 15k once the front end had settled in.

Good Luck with what ever you Buy.

Cheers

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