80 Series 4500 - New Head vs Rebuild Cost

Submitted: Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 06:45
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Hi All,

I got a call y'day arvo from the engine rebuilder, my head is in poor condition. They can see excessive corrosion visually!

The deal is that my head is non-repairable. They suggest either a brand new - built with same lpg rated valves & seats or a wrecker's yard head job and rebuild that.
New cost would be $4000, used $2500.
Toyota price new (but loose parts) is $3650 + build (estimate) $700.

Looking around for other ideas too, rebuild original head with bolts & gasket, say $700 then sell car (not preferred). Or check the wrecker's head (say $150), fit & wait till it deteriorates then have the same discussion again??

Any constructive ideas would be appreciated.
Cheers
Bob
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Reply By: CHRIS UREN - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 09:05

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 09:05
Hi Bob,

My name is Chris and i work at a Toyota dealership in Vic.
I was just looking at that price you were quoted on a new head and am sure
that i would be able to sell you one for heaps cheaper than that!
Give us a call on 03 85442222 so we can discuss exactly what you need, and
hopefully we can help you out.

Cheers
Chris at Lane Toyota
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Follow Up By: Beast of Bodmin - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 18:32

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 18:32
Cheers Chris,
4k put me into shock! I cant afford that sort of money, but need better reliability than some engine rebuilders are offering for a 'cheap' fix.
I'll give you a buzz for a cost.

BoB
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:06

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:06
was about say that drug money .

tell them for the second hand price they gave yo u, that you only wanted the head , not another Engine lol
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:13

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:13
For that sort of money a 350 Chev (or other V8 of choice) and a Mark's 4wd Adaptors adaptor will be much better. You appear to have gas already so when off-roading on the steep stuff you won't have carby issues.

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Reply By: Rod W - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:17

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:17
Bob,
I have a 4500. Curious to know what has caused the corrosion? How many ks?

Thanks
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Follow Up By: Beast of Bodmin - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 18:35

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 18:35
Hi Rod,
Check-out thread #31741. I was discussing these kind of details with another bloke there.
Basically 330,000km and 10yr on gas.

BoB
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Follow Up By: Rod W - Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 10:11

Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 10:11
Bob,
That dosen't really tell me what I was looking for in relation to corrossion, ie did you use geniune Toyota Inhiditors or other gunk, did you use tap water or distilled water?

Thanks - don't mean to be a pain.
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Reply By: Exploder - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 18:17

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 18:17
$4000 for a head, Dreaming.
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:07

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:07
I agree with Exploder , get another Mechanic , this one is looking for a new car i think
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Reply By: TroopyTracker - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:55

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:55
With the $ you're talking why not just buy a whole new(second hand) motor? Try Linquip at Gympie or Brunswick diesels in WA. I'd say $2500 would buy you something under 150 000k's. They'll only give $1000 for mine with 200 000k's-no smoke, always used synthetic oil. Definantely worth a phone call.
Matt
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 22:25

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 22:25
Hi Bob
Give me a call on 0408965433. I have a complete spare head...you wont be disappointed...
Andrew Wollongong
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 16:54

Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 16:54
I can backup Andrew here, hes great to deal with, have personally dealt with him few years back... if he says its good, you can take his word for it.
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 22:58

Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 22:58
Thanks Trucky
Yes, you could put this one on with a new gasket if you were game.....
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Reply By: grayson - Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 16:47

Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 16:47
Hi Bob,

those costs sound Xtreme. Anyway I don't want to be a pain but I wanted to ask you about other issues. I also have a LC80 4500 with 265k on the clock and still running great. Only thing is cost of fuel has me seriously thinking about going for autogas. I would need to retain petrol ability as gas won't get me into some areas up north due to supply drama's. Can you advise what you reckon about the 4500 on gas cpmpared with ULP and power, mileage, and any work needed on the heads to go to gas (Iheard the valves require replacing?).

Rob G
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Reply By: grayson - Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 16:48

Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 16:48
Hi Bob,

those costs sound Xtreme. Anyway I don't want to be a pain but I wanted to ask you about other issues. I also have a LC80 4500 with 165k on the clock and still running great. Only thing is cost of fuel has me seriously thinking about going for autogas. I would need to retain petrol ability as gas won't get me into some areas up north due to supply drama's. Can you advise what you reckon about the 4500 on gas cpmpared with ULP and power, mileage, and any work needed on the heads to go to gas (Iheard the valves require replacing?).

Rob G
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 17:03

Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 17:03
For comparison, a raw head for a TB42 Nissan is $1400 cost price.
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Reply By: Beast of Bodmin - Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 23:54

Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 23:54
Thanks for the advice and comments,

A mate just put a new head on his nissan - brand new with one row of valves and all gaskets for $1500. So your price is pretty spot on truckster.

1FZFE head is a bit more complex as dohc engine. Best price from toyota is $2500 bareor $2000 via engine mob who will fit new lpg seats, valves, guides, shim to 3.3mm, genuine head gasket set and head bolts for an additional $1900.

I bought a 2nd hand complete head (not a reco for $650) but this turned out to be a pup and had a crack from s/plug hole to valve seat. Thats been sent back for a refund.

Now l'm staring in the face of the $4k job mentioned.
Dilemma...................

Cheers
BoB

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 at 21:27

Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 at 21:27
Contact Dozer above.

I stand by my statement, if he says its good, you wont be let down.
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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 at 23:00

Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 at 23:00
Have also purchased goods from Dozer, they always been true to description so as much as it hurts to agee with Truckster I second his recommendation.
I also drive a 4.5 petrol with 380k and keep an eye on prices . complete 2nd hand motors are only pulling $1650
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Follow Up By: Beast of Bodmin - Saturday, Mar 25, 2006 at 10:09

Saturday, Mar 25, 2006 at 10:09
I have also bought stuff from Dozer, and have no problem with this.
However l am aware that whatever l buy 2nd hand may just steer me down the same garden path in a short while as l run lpg 100% on road - only running 1 tank of ulp per month to keep the fuel inj kit in good health. But using both fuels when on trips.

2nd hand motor was one of my thoughts, but is also an unknown quantity and may be expensive in the long run.

My choice at present is a new head (found a cheaper source) with all new valves & seats that are lpg compatible.
I'll let you know how it goes......
Cheers
BoB
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Reply By: Patroleum - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 21:21

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 21:21
Bob,

What about Andrews head?

Greg
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