Turbo Diesel or Petrol V8

Submitted: Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 21:42
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Hi,

I am considering purchasing a new Landcruiser 100 Series (The other thought is a Dual Cab 4x4).
The Turbo Diesel is around $8-$9,000 more expensive than the Petrol Version.

I average around 25,000Klm per year (moslty bitumen).

Is it worth the extra money purchasing the diesel to get the fuel savings, or do I loose the savings with the extra maintenance required with diesel ? (any comments on service intervals for a diesel !)

Would I need to fit a Turbo timer ?

Thanks in advance
Phil P




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Reply By: Cashy - Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 22:49

Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 22:49
Phil,

I would recommend the diesel. The petrol cruiser is lucky to get 600km from the 140+L of fuel while the diesel will easliy get 900+km from the same tanks.

As regards the TD or natural that is personal preference. I have got a new LC105 with nonturdo diesel engine and fine it easily cruises at the highway speed with out effort. The only time I notice the difference is taking off at lights and on loing hills when I don't get the approach right. My last car was a petrol prado so I have driven both. The diesel is far better.

Cashy
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Follow Up By: Hedonist - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 16:34

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 16:34
Cashy,
Not sure where you get your consumption data for the petrol 100 series from - On the highway I comfortable get 750 km range at 120 kph fully loaded with gear. At 100-110 I'd expect well over 900 ks
Pete
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Follow Up By: Cashy - Monday, Feb 03, 2003 at 13:44

Monday, Feb 03, 2003 at 13:44
Hedonist,

I was out at the weekend with 3 petrol 100's and after traveling over highway and dirty and a little low range stuff, we had all done the same amount of k's and filled up at the same point. The petrols had over half there main tanks used, my non turbo diesel hadn't reachd the half way mark on the sub tank. The three drivers of the petrol all confrimed they get between 600k's ormal driving but may get 800 on a good highway run.

Cashy
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Reply By: Truckster - Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 22:58

Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 22:58
I thought Diesels had longer service intervals.

There is a model of 100 series lunching front diffs fairly regularly...Not sure.

Go with the Diesel. You wont regret it.
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Follow Up By: Nifty,, - Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:11

Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:11
Truckster,
What do you mean "There is a model of 100 series lunching front diffs fairly regularly"

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Follow Up By: Truckster - Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:42

Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:42
I mean there is one model, not sure which one, what year that is blowning front diffs up.

I personally have seen 4, and heard of others...probably close to dozen all up and thats in Vic Im talking about.

Some were caused by lockers going in them or could be co-incidence.
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Reply By: Kev. - Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:14

Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:14
You should also think about the resale value down the track .

There are plenty of second hand petrol landcruisers around for sale but people jump on the diesel one as soon as the come up especially the turbo version.

kev.
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Reply By: Phil P - Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:33

Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:33
Turbo Diesel seems to be the way to go !

I've read that they need to be serviced every 5000Klms (minor service) - is there any truth to that for the 100 series ?


Thanks
Phil P

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Follow Up By: Truckster - Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:43

Friday, Jan 31, 2003 at 23:43
When you go to look at one at the Yota Dealer, ask to look at the service manual, they should have no problems with that.


Then you can see what services are what, as in minor or major.
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Reply By: Member - Jim - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 00:11

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 00:11
Phil P

The Warranty & Service book, which seems to cover every Landcruiser in the 100 series recommends changing both the oil and filter at 10,000 Kms or 6 month intervals, with a further recommendation that if the vehicle is operqated under 'severe' conditions, the changed should be done at 5,000 Km (3 month) intervals.

I have just purchased a Turbo diesel and the dealer's service department have told me that the oil should be replaced every 5,000 Kms with a filter change every 10,000 Kms.

Another mechanic has told me that with today's oils, 7 or 8,000 Km changes are O.K. I'll stick with the 5,000 Km changes for the time being.

As to the vehicle, it is superb, with plenty of "get up and go" and over three fuel purchases so far, is averaging just under 22 mpg. It is extremely quiet, with very little diesel rattle, no diesel smell and no smoke.

Shop around the dealers as the prices can be quite "negotiable".

Jim
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Follow Up By: Phil P - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 08:36

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 08:36
Jim,

Is the 5,000Kms oil change something you can do yourself (Ie is it like changing the oil in a petrol car) ?

thanks
Phil P
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Follow Up By: Member - Jim - Sunday, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:33

Sunday, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:33
Phil P

Can't see why not. I had an 80 series T/D previously and did several oil changes myself. Go for a short run first so that the oil is warm and thin to drain out easily. If you do a long run, you will find that the oil is VERY hot and can burn your hands or arms if it touches.

Another tip, as the motor holds around 11 1/2 litres, make sure that the bowl that you are draining into is large enough. If I recall, the plastic dishes that you can buy from spare parts shops are only 6 or 8 litres, which means that you have to stop the flow of oil while you change dishes. That's when you can burn your hand/arm if the oil is very hot.

Jim
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Follow Up By: Tim - Sunday, Feb 02, 2003 at 17:56

Sunday, Feb 02, 2003 at 17:56
city driving is severe driving according to manafacturers - stop start etc - so every 5k's is necessary for most
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Reply By: Wil - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 08:37

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 08:37
I read somewhere that the Turbo Diesel motor is direct injection and the not turbo motor is indirect (I might be wrong here). Technically the Turbo motor is far better, which equals resale. I guess you have to ask yourself:
-How long do you plan on keeping it? (I expect mine to go & go & go @20Ks per year)
-The comment I hear is the insurance co may not allow turbo timers
-Are you happy with higher frequencies of maintenance? (organising it & no car for a day)
-Petrol is definately cleaner burning (if you are a greeny) with LPG options as it age (warranties etc)
-If I have a healthy bank account I will have a 100 series petrol model for the wife to run kids to school & shopping (stop start running definately suits a petrol engine). My Diesel baby is great for Touring!
-The full time 4WD feature is definately good for family trips where safety in paramount. Imagine the tar seal disappears into gravel/dirt, you just keep driving without thinking about engaging 4WD mode. I would really love a Patrol if it is full time 4WD...(maybe in the future)

Think of it as a investment (asset) & follow your heart buddy!

Enjoy..
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Reply By: desert - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 09:26

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 09:26
Phil, you'll have to do some homework. Verify the service intervals of both engines. Remember that the diesel will take around about twice the amount of oil for a change. Factor in costs of filters, spark plugs, air cleaners etc. Be honest with yourself about the type of driving you are doing. Resale on any landcruiser is not an issue. If it has been looked after, regularly maintained then either petrol or diesel will resale well.
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Reply By: jamie - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 15:47

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 15:47
Phil,

I picked up my 100 Series TD GXL a month ago and have already done 5,000klms on both bitumen and dirt. It is with out question the best vehicle I have owned/driven. Fuel economy is great, the ride is smooth and the wife finds easy to manage. I've owned a VX Petrol Prado, TX TD Prado and Triton Dual Cab Petrol and even though these vehicle were great the 100 Series is definately the best. As for the service intervals the is a fact of today and seems pretty standard across the board. $85.00 for a minor service at Toyots isn't to bad.

Hope that is of assistance.

Hoo Roo,

Jamie
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Follow Up By: Peter - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:06

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:06
Jamie,
Just wondering what you get for your $85.00 minor service? I have 100 series standard 1HZ engine and it costs $63.00 for oil, $36.00 for filter and thats without labour @ $70.00 per hour.
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Follow Up By: Rox - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:51

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:51
I do the change my self $40 oil + $10 fillter + 1/2 hour easy & cheep.
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Follow Up By: Jamie - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 20:45

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 20:45
Phil,

Basically a oil change and check over, nothing flash. I do know of people who do the interim services (5,000klm) services themselves and only take it to the dealer for the 10,000klm service.

Mate, forget the Nissan. I test drove one when looking at the Cruiser. It's worth the extra money.

Good Luck. Go with the Cruiser you won't be sorry.

Regards,

Jamie
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Reply By: Chris - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 16:58

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 16:58
Phil,

I picked up my new GXL in December, it’s not the turbo version cause I didn’t want the IFS and the price of the TD is about $15k more. I am more than happy with my live axle non-turbo model and have been keeping track of the fuel situation. See below:

Odometer Litres used Km's travelled L/100 KM KM/L
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788 95.89 788.00 12.17 8.22
1624 105.80 836.00 12.66 7.90
2196 71.25 572.00 12.46 8.03
3146 115.03 950.00 12.11 8.26
3977 100.40 831.00 12.08 8.28
4941 116.41 964.00 12.08 8.28

I’m hoping for around 1200 km’s when I use the whole 145 litres. It’s a bit slow from stop as other people mentioned but when your cruising it’s not an issue, after all if I wanted to drag race I’d get a sports car. It’s also not an issue when 4Wding as the beast has more than enough power when in low range and the rigid axle is much better in the rough.

Cheers,
Chris
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Follow Up By: Chris - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:04

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:04
Formatting gets trashed when you submit the reply. I'll separate with commas.

Odometer, Litres used, Km's travelled, L/100 KM, KM/L
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788, 95.89, 788.00, 12.17, 8.22
1624, 105.80, 836.00, 12.66, 7.90
2196, 71.25, 572.00, 12.46, 8.03
3146, 115.03, 950.00, 12.11, 8.26
3977, 100.40, 831.00, 12.08, 8.28
4941, 116.41, 964.00, 12.08, 8.28


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Reply By: Phil P - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:16

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:16
Thanks for all your assistance, I'm sold on diesel.

Not wanting to start a "thread" storm, but is the Toyota worth the extra $20K compared to the 3.0L Patrol ?







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Follow Up By: Rox - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:56

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 17:56
Phill I ve got 80 series std, My brother has just bought 3lt st patrol for around $53k I think its better value 4 money than the land cruiser but cruiser will sell at higher price.
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 22:27

Saturday, Feb 01, 2003 at 22:27
You can buy A LOT OF ACCESSORIES for $20,000....

You could nearly fully kit out your GU for that! but I would go the new 4.2 turbo intercooled GU about to be released this month, over the 3.0....
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Reply By: Marty and Sam - Sunday, Feb 02, 2003 at 01:44

Sunday, Feb 02, 2003 at 01:44
I have owned both landcruisers and patrols (GU3LTCurrently) and i would not say that one is better than the other it comes down to personal preference and what you can afford. The Landcruiser will get better resale than the Patrol because you pay more for in the first place but as truckster said you can get a lot of after market parts for $20000.
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Reply By: Phil P - Sunday, Feb 02, 2003 at 06:28

Sunday, Feb 02, 2003 at 06:28
Thanks everyone for your responses.
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