Over fill sump in GU diesel

Submitted: Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 11:20
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Hi,

My GU turbo diesel 4.2 takes close to 8 litres of oil. Any ideas if I can increase that and by what amount?? I'll be travelling and will have 10 litre drums, could I just put the lot in? The reason is, why waste the oil as don't want to just carry around a couple of litres. Plus if it's not to full will give a bit more soot capacity.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 11:28

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 11:28
Mine takes 10.5 litres to fill it if I did the 2 filters at the same time. Now that I have 3 filters plus some extra hose (for the dual head by-pass filtration system), it holds closer to 11 litres.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 11:53

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 11:53
Pretty sure mine only takes just over 8 litres. Will check the manual to see what it should take.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:17

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:17
Austravel,

Put in 8 and check the dip stick until it reaches full level. I believe that it is not a good idea to overfill as it can blow seals in the engine.

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:23

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:23
Certainly what I was always taught as well. But then heard that one of the fixes fot the 3.0 l was to shorten the dip stick so as to increase the oil volume.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:26

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:26
I thought it had something to do with too much pressure which then blows the seals. Maybe one of the forum experts can set me & you straight.
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Follow Up By: hl - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 15:33

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 15:33
It will NOT blow any seals.
The main concern is when it gets high enough for the crankshaft to whip it to a foam. Aerated oil doesn't lubricate too well.
Most engines have a fair bit of headroom to allow for re-calls to shorten dipsticks.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 15:49

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 15:49
Thanks HL, that froth is what one needs to steer clear from.
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:33

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:33
Hi Austravel,

It's your business but my thoughts you are over planning here.

Ten litres of oil weighs at least 10kg, maybe 20kgs. If you do a oil and filter change before you go, you've got 5000kms to travel and carry an extra 20 kgs and the space of a round awkward to pack around drum before your oil is needed.

Why not buy 2 by 5l of oil as you're heading away from a big town and an oil change is coming up? At least you'll only have one smaller 5l container with the excess 2l in. It's easier to pack around at least.

What are you going to do with the oil you drop? You'll have to carry and oil pan as well to do the job. And the filter - not the easiest thing to dispose of properly at the best of times.

I'd take a litre of oil for top ups, and find a service centre when you're due, or before, for a service. Or if you really need to do it yourself, buy the oil, filter, pan as you need it; put the old oil back in the drums and take it to the local tip or servo for disposal.

IMHO carrying 10l of oil for 5000km just so you can use it at a later date needs a rethink. Carrying spare oil for top ups is another matter.

Tim
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 13:21

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 13:21
True and that's what I've normally done but in this case I have been given the oil so it makes it worth carting around for a couple of months before I use it.
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Reply By: GUPatrol - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 13:21

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 13:21
Austravel,

As Roachie said mine is also 10.5 litres with oil filters, about 10litres wihtout filters.

This is what I do when on a long trip.
I pack a large enough plastic container to drain oil into, a clean one that can also be used for other things such as washup etc.

When I get close to service time I buy two 5 litre containers. I also get good quality industrial type rubbish bags.

I line the washing container with the rubbish bag (sometimes use two bags to be safe) and drain the oil. Once drained I refill from the two 5L containers which leaves the containers empty.
With a funnel I then transfer the old oil from the washup container (lined with a good quality rubbish bag) into the now empty 5 L containers and seal them again.

The washup container should now be empty, remove the rubbish bag and discard in rubbish bin.
I usually do this while on a major town so I take the containers to the recycle depot, if not I carry them to the next town and find a recycle depot.

The washup container should have remained clean with the rubbish bag but I still give it a wash.
All done no mess and no drums to carry.

Will
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 13:26

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 13:26
Ok, must be thinking of my previous GQ (petrol) only done a couple of services in this one and thought it was similar. Will need to take more notice next time.

Thanks
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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 14:53

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 14:53
Overfilling the sump can lead to engine runaway when the oil is drawn up throught the crankcase ventilation and fuels the engine to destruction.

Not a good idea to overfill.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 15:33

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 15:33
Exactley right!!, Had a mazda E2200 ute once R2 motor, and i overfilled it by about 2ltrs causing an engine runaway situation, wrecked the bottom end big time!.
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Reply By: Flash - Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 16:53

Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 at 16:53
My TD42 is actually nearly 12 litres, but that includes two bypass filters and an oil cooler as well.... One of the many advantages of this is I can WAAAY extend oil drains without risk. Never have to change the oil out'n'about.

However I'm sure factory filters AND sump is about 10.5 litres. I'm sure the TD42 won't mind a bit of an overfill within reason, say a litre or less over the full mark. Have often done that accidently, with no noticeable effect at all, no oil use (it just stays overfull till next filter change) or anything similar.
Cheers
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Reply By: Austravel - Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 at 13:57

Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 at 13:57
Thanks everyone.
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