Tyre Time Again

Submitted: Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:04
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Yes it's time to dig deep again....haha, don't we all love it.

Anyway, I've never had muds before but I'm giving them some serious consideration. I'm wondering about the performance in sand, more specifically the MTR's. Do they float ok or tend to dig in ?
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:11

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:11
"Do they float ok or tend to dig in ?"

hahahaha looks like we'll get all the pre-digested answers from that other Forum I was looking at last night LOLOL

Don't know MD but it will be interesting to see the replies.

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:13

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:13
You mean there are other forums..where, where.

Tell me Al
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:19

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:19
LOL Oh, to be so cynical at such a young age :)))

Luvs ya long, long time Ray
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:46

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:46
lha, lol

Maybe I'm a bit slow today, was a tough weekend sinking all those tinnies.

Are they discussing these tyres somewhere else Gramps, if so where?
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 13:43

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 13:43
Sorry Ray. Trying to fit my yard slave duties in with my hectic social life LOL

Some are oldish and you've probably seen them but here you go

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There are a few more once you start to look.

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:47

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:47
Thanks Al very interesting. I didn't think about fuel economy. I'm not keen on knocking that down, bad enough as it is.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:25

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:25
MD,

Have got MTR's on standard splits on turbo 79 series. 235.85R16's. Already a bit baggy with splits but seem okay with less pressure in them.

Never had down to sand pressures, even though we've got plenty of sandhills here.
Wear hasn't been too bad, rool good in sloppy mud, at 20-25psi.

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Reply By: Bros 1 - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:29

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:29
Mad Dog,
If you are on the level the local Goodyear dealer has a sign saying 4 for the price of 3. Don't know if it extends to MTR's.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:47

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:47
On the level ? hahaha..dunno about that, missus says I'm a bit twisted

Thanks Bros, I'll chec kthe local dealer, ready to buy something this week. I have to if I want to go anywhere.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:42

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:42
Doesn't apply to 4wd, flleet or commercial tyres, normal fitting costs on top.

Beaurepairs, 31x10.5R15 MTR $244
ATR $200

Waiting for more quotes
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Reply By: Brad, W.A. - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:44

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:44
My brother in law has them on his challenger, to climb a sand hill he had to drop to 12 PSI where I had to drop to 18 PSI with my Cooper ST/C's on an 80 Series. Maybe it was the car and driver?
Mind you we had all our camping gear but he probably had half the weight I was carrying.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 08:19

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 08:19
Maybe it was the soft walls on the Coopers, they seem to bag very easily compared to other tyres.
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Follow Up By: Brad, W.A. - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 10:27

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 10:27
Maybe so Shaker, but I have found them to be a very good tyre compared to the BFG AT's I used to have. Everyone has their own preference an experiences, at the end of the day it is up to the individual to chose what they are happy with.
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Reply By: Member - Luxoluk - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:48

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:48
Taking up skating eh??
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:54

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:54
I heard they have awesome road holding the wet.
Do you have a different experience Leigh.
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 13:37

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 13:37
Hey Dog,
The best description I have heard for the MT/R's is that they can be a tad "skittish" on road. I have them on my 80 Series and they are the ducks nuts in mud and over rocks etc when aired down - very sure footed. Haven't had them on sand yet.

On the skating comment above - back to them being skittish. Basically because of the thicker side walls the tyres tend not to deform as well as others at road pressures over bumps so when you're cruising along at speed on the black top, the tyres can feel "skittish" (But only slightly) in the wet or dry. This feeling may be exagerated on a lighter truck (ie hilux).

All in all - love them!
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 13:46

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 13:46
Sorry Ray, did not want to put the tyre down as it probably is most appropriate to the types of terrain you want to travel. I do know however that you don't have a lot of mass behind you and given wet sealed roads I'd be very very cautious. Some may have a different view but that's what I'd be evaluating before I took a decision to purchase. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 15:53

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 15:53
Leigh what are you doing posting on here??
You still in weekend travel mode? LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 15:56

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 15:56
Hi John...trying to recover...phew...should have taken today off to complete the recovery and clean up the vehicle but priorities rule. CU soon. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:44

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:44
Thanks Leigh, I'll just have to learn to take it easy in the Lux, no more power slides around corners...lol

Worn out eh! I thought you had a busy schedule for the weekend. A couple more days would have been nice....still better to do it quick than never do it.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:50

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:50
MTRs were awesome at ROBE.. going back there in Nov :)

Air them down and you will never look back.
IMHO easily the best all rounder on the market at them moment.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:56

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:56
Yeah man, that's what I wanna hear. Sound promising for me then.
Thanks Bruce

Hopefully They wont be heard much over the Lux
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 13:07

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 13:07
Ray,

To answer your question " Do they (Muddies) float or sink?

They should dig in because of the open lugs. A tyre that should be good on sand is a tyre that has no tread and is big and fat. I think I just described myself.

Having said that I have been running Muddies for a long long time. I have been on all types of sand from Simpson to Stockton Beach. They will drive on sand. I don't have to let them down anymore than other vehicles and they will get a 3.5t Troopie running around the sand dunes with out problem.

I have not driven on MTR's but I don't think that they would be any different that STT,s

Another thing that I just thought of. How much time will you be on the sand compared to dirt tracks. If it is 80% sand then maybe a different pattern might be the go.

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 14:54

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 14:54
Havnt tried mine on sand yet but they certainly bag out. Running 28psi they were noticbly bagged out ------- And then i copped a sidewall slit within 5 minutes. It is my 2nd sidewall puncture in about 1000k so If they have strong sidewalls i havnt noticed
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Reply By: Patrolman Pat - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 15:48

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 15:48
I find mine don't bag out noticeably and I have to run tham around 12-14 psi on sand but they perform well enough once aired down.
I did have a big slide on wet tarmac a copule of weeks ago (scarey stuff) turning at an intersection but I reckon ther could have been oil/diesel on the road as I've never had a problem before.
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:19

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:19
On second thought - my above post rated the MT/R as coping well with wet black stuff. Could be more to do with the full time 4X4 in the 80. I guess I take that for granted now!
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 15:52

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 15:52
Raymond I still rum my BFG Muddies and have had no issues, real good in most circumstances.

Lot of good reports on the MTR's though was intending to give them a good hard look also when mine are due for change.

Whats this drinking tinnies business??? When did you get time for that? You were so busy sending me Bcon messages you didn't have time for anything else. LOL.

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:55

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:55
lol, you are very formal tonight John, You sound like my Mother.

Just about made my mind up John, think I'll go the MTR's. Should be good for the High Country and still be ok for the sandy stuff by the sound of it.

It was a Tinnie weekend. BBQ with friends around Sat night and Sun worked on the ute all day while sinking tinnies. The lappy sits on the table under the pergola next to the Engel. I little need to go inside the house :)

I better get some more work done.
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:34

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:34
Ray,

I have had 33" X 12.5" Pro Comp muddies on my GQ for three years. We have never been stuck on Teewah Beach or Rainbow Beach or Fraser Island, even up around Indian Head where the sand is very soft. At 18 psi they work very well, the only time I start to "dig in" is when I get too lazy to pick the right gear for a particular spot.... for instance, crossing soft sand to enter our camp area..... sometimes I feel it digging down, I just stop immediately and reverse a few metres, select the right gear, usually 2nd Low, and then take off again. We've done this even with our camper trailer on the back and still drove out ok....

I'm on my 2nd set of Pro Comps, they're a marvellous tyre but not readily available, I'm guessing it would be hard to find one in the "outback" for instance and I bet it is easier to find BFG's etc etc just about anywhere.... so for that reason I'll get BFG's next time. Whatever brand, I think muddies are the way to go!

Just my opinion

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Reply By: drifta - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 18:29

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 18:29
I run MTR's and find them to be great in the sand. When the sand gets soft like the drift off the back of a dune the tyres seem to pull me through where as my previous AT's would just spin. It's the length of the tyre extending that makes the biggest difference not the side wall bagging out. Have had no problems in the wet the silica compound is supposed to make them handle well in the wet and they wont aquaplane with that tread.
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Reply By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:19

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:19
A cut and paste from a different forum (LCOOL)..

I had been asking questions about BFG Muddies, and MTRs, and owners of each rated them pretty well (as they do) - but I found it hard to find a comparison from someone who had both.. The following is....

Ivan I have been running both for a while, admittedly though on an 80
Series. At this point in time, I can't speak highly for the BFG Mud TA in
comparison to the MTR (both 285/75 x 16).

The areas where I found the MTR better are (in no particular order):

- Far better at shedding mud. The BFGs clog quickly and you not only lose
traction but more importantly, you lose sideways stability.
- Tougher in that rocks don't rip chunks out of the tread blocks.
- Stronger sidewalls. Sharp objects don't tear the sidewall as easily as
they do on the BFGs and when they do, it's a small cut that can be repaired
to get you out.
- Better traction on the road by a fair margin - particularly when wet.

Areas where the BFGs are better, again in no particular order:

- Softer sidewall with less heat build up at speeds over 130 kph.
- Slightly better wear on the road.

One aspect which is neither here nor there is the fact that you need to
lower tyre pressure a fair bit lower on the MTR on sand and snow than you do
with the BFGs. I put that down to the fact that the sidewalls on the MTRs
are much stiffer and they tend to support the vehicle. For example, to
achieve the same floatation on the MTRs I need to air down to under 10 psi
that the BFGs offer at 15 psi. I don't see that as a negative though because
of the stronger MTR sidewall that does a better job of resisting sidewall
damage than the BFG at 15 psi.

I also think that the MTR would suit your suspension setup better than the
BFG. The reason is that the MTR isn't as "lively" in the way it bounces back
after an impact and it will give you a better chance of keeping the tyre in
contact with the ground.

As far as applications go, if it's high country work, then I think that the
MTR has the edge. On fast outback dirt roads, it's a hands down win for the
MTR - greater stability and comfort. On road, the MTR is a tad noisier than
the BFG.
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:06

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:06
What size mtr are you after ray ?

i've got a set - 4 used VGC 1 brand new for sale in 265/75/16 from my jack i sold, i have to put the ad in the trader yet, but the price is right .....

I never used mine in sand, exept for the sandy tracks in the grampions, where they were great. Grouse on mud as you would expect, and good on road too.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 07:24

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 07:24
Thanks Brad but wrong size, I need 31's
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 14:55

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 14:55
Thanks to everyone for the comments, much appreciated.
I have decided to go with the MTR's but have had a devil of a job tracking some down. They are in short supply. Hopefully They will be fitted tomorrow morning.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Thursday, Mar 30, 2006 at 10:54

Thursday, Mar 30, 2006 at 10:54
So as a conclusion to the thread they were fitted this morning. I've only driven a few K's on the seal. I thought they may have been a bit noiser but not much different to the old 693's. They look just fantastic, oh so sexy :)
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