Tyre Time Again

"Do they float ok or tend to dig in ?"

hahahaha looks like we'll get all the pre-digested answers from that other Forum I was looking at last night LOLOL

Don't know MD but it will be interesting to see the replies.

Regards

MD,

Have got MTR's on standard splits on turbo 79 series. 235.85R16's. Already a bit baggy with splits but seem okay with less pressure in them.

Never had down to sand pressures, even though we've got plenty of sandhills here.
Wear hasn't been too bad, rool good in sloppy mud, at 20-25psi.

Hooroo...

Mad Dog,
If you are on the level the local Goodyear dealer has a sign saying 4 for the price of 3. Don't know if it extends to MTR's.
Cheers,
Bros.

My brother in law has them on his challenger, to climb a sand hill he had to drop to 12 PSI where I had to drop to 18 PSI with my Cooper ST/C's on an 80 Series. Maybe it was the car and driver?
Mind you we had all our camping gear but he probably had half the weight I was carrying.

Taking up skating eh??

MTRs were awesome at ROBE.. going back there in Nov :)

Air them down and you will never look back.
IMHO easily the best all rounder on the market at them moment.

Ray,

To answer your question " Do they (Muddies) float or sink?

They should dig in because of the open lugs. A tyre that should be good on sand is a tyre that has no tread and is big and fat. I think I just described myself.

Having said that I have been running Muddies for a long long time. I have been on all types of sand from Simpson to Stockton Beach. They will drive on sand. I don't have to let them down anymore than other vehicles and they will get a 3.5t Troopie running around the sand dunes with out problem.

I have not driven on MTR's but I don't think that they would be any different that STT,s

Another thing that I just thought of. How much time will you be on the sand compared to dirt tracks. If it is 80% sand then maybe a different pattern might be the go.

Wayne

Havnt tried mine on sand yet but they certainly bag out. Running 28psi they were noticbly bagged out ------- And then i copped a sidewall slit within 5 minutes. It is my 2nd sidewall puncture in about 1000k so If they have strong sidewalls i havnt noticed

I find mine don't bag out noticeably and I have to run tham around 12-14 psi on sand but they perform well enough once aired down.
I did have a big slide on wet tarmac a copule of weeks ago (scarey stuff) turning at an intersection but I reckon ther could have been oil/diesel on the road as I've never had a problem before.

Raymond I still rum my BFG Muddies and have had no issues, real good in most circumstances.

Lot of good reports on the MTR's though was intending to give them a good hard look also when mine are due for change.

Whats this drinking tinnies business??? When did you get time for that? You were so busy sending me Bcon messages you didn't have time for anything else. LOL.

Cheers

Ray,

I have had 33" X 12.5" Pro Comp muddies on my GQ for three years. We have never been stuck on Teewah Beach or Rainbow Beach or Fraser Island, even up around Indian Head where the sand is very soft. At 18 psi they work very well, the only time I start to "dig in" is when I get too lazy to pick the right gear for a particular spot.... for instance, crossing soft sand to enter our camp area..... sometimes I feel it digging down, I just stop immediately and reverse a few metres, select the right gear, usually 2nd Low, and then take off again. We've done this even with our camper trailer on the back and still drove out ok....

I'm on my 2nd set of Pro Comps, they're a marvellous tyre but not readily available, I'm guessing it would be hard to find one in the "outback" for instance and I bet it is easier to find BFG's etc etc just about anywhere.... so for that reason I'll get BFG's next time. Whatever brand, I think muddies are the way to go!

Just my opinion

Cheers

Brian

I run MTR's and find them to be great in the sand. When the sand gets soft like the drift off the back of a dune the tyres seem to pull me through where as my previous AT's would just spin. It's the length of the tyre extending that makes the biggest difference not the side wall bagging out. Have had no problems in the wet the silica compound is supposed to make them handle well in the wet and they wont aquaplane with that tread.

A cut and paste from a different forum (LCOOL)..

I had been asking questions about BFG Muddies, and MTRs, and owners of each rated them pretty well (as they do) - but I found it hard to find a comparison from someone who had both.. The following is....

Ivan I have been running both for a while, admittedly though on an 80
Series. At this point in time, I can't speak highly for the BFG Mud TA in
comparison to the MTR (both 285/75 x 16).

The areas where I found the MTR better are (in no particular order):

- Far better at shedding mud. The BFGs clog quickly and you not only lose
traction but more importantly, you lose sideways stability.
- Tougher in that rocks don't rip chunks out of the tread blocks.
- Stronger sidewalls. Sharp objects don't tear the sidewall as easily as
they do on the BFGs and when they do, it's a small cut that can be repaired
to get you out.
- Better traction on the road by a fair margin - particularly when wet.

Areas where the BFGs are better, again in no particular order:

- Softer sidewall with less heat build up at speeds over 130 kph.
- Slightly better wear on the road.

One aspect which is neither here nor there is the fact that you need to
lower tyre pressure a fair bit lower on the MTR on sand and snow than you do
with the BFGs. I put that down to the fact that the sidewalls on the MTRs
are much stiffer and they tend to support the vehicle. For example, to
achieve the same floatation on the MTRs I need to air down to under 10 psi
that the BFGs offer at 15 psi. I don't see that as a negative though because
of the stronger MTR sidewall that does a better job of resisting sidewall
damage than the BFG at 15 psi.

I also think that the MTR would suit your suspension setup better than the
BFG. The reason is that the MTR isn't as "lively" in the way it bounces back
after an impact and it will give you a better chance of keeping the tyre in
contact with the ground.

As far as applications go, if it's high country work, then I think that the
MTR has the edge. On fast outback dirt roads, it's a hands down win for the
MTR - greater stability and comfort. On road, the MTR is a tad noisier than
the BFG.

What size mtr are you after ray ?

i've got a set - 4 used VGC 1 brand new for sale in 265/75/16 from my jack i sold, i have to put the ad in the trader yet, but the price is right .....

I never used mine in sand, exept for the sandy tracks in the grampions, where they were great. Grouse on mud as you would expect, and good on road too.

Thanks to everyone for the comments, much appreciated.
I have decided to go with the MTR's but have had a devil of a job tracking some down. They are in short supply. Hopefully They will be fitted tomorrow morning.

So as a conclusion to the thread they were fitted this morning. I've only driven a few K's on the seal. I thought they may have been a bit noiser but not much different to the old 693's. They look just fantastic, oh so sexy :)