polyair bellows
Submitted: Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:20
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goveroo
I would be interested to hear people's experience with polyair bellows. We are planning a trip across the Simpson later in the year in our Cruiser cab chassis (79 series). It is used as a work vehicle throughout the year, and has suffered from carrying weight on a daily basis.
Would like to know how they perform over extended periods of use, and whether they are subject to catching small stones etc.
Or maybe you have found a better alternative to improving the
suspension.
Thanks.
Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 12:46
Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 12:46
goveroo,
If you are talking about the air bags that go inside the coils, then I would say go for it. I have had them on three vehicles in a row and they work
well and reliably. I have just recently sprung a leak in one so I will soon work out how good their lifetime warranty is if it is a bag problem (it has only done 260000km). Not that I'm complaining about getting those
miles out of any
suspension.
However if you are talking about replacing
the springs with full air
suspension (bellows) then I won't comment on these as I have no experience here.
Cheers Trevor.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 14:23
Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 14:23
goveroo,
I am looking at the same thing.
They are nothing like the
orange polyair that go into coil springs.
They are a rubber bellow that don't have a spring around them and are used to help carry a heavy load on a leaf sprung vehicle.
They can go from 5psi up to 100psi and go between the top of the axle and the chassis rail.
Cost is around the $500 mark, I have not got a set as yet but looking into it.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 15:42
Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 15:42
Sounds like the air
suspension bellows you see on the back of trucks rather than the 'polyair' type air bags mounted in the coil for assistance with load.
Bit of a science with the truck bellows, getting the right travel and load rating.
They usually have an internal bump stop too, which limits travel.
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Reply By: Rob Ackland - Monday, Apr 10, 2006 at 13:53
Monday, Apr 10, 2006 at 13:53
Have been using polyair in Prado 90 for four years and 120 for one year with no problems and plenty of hard work. Six Simpson crossings,
Hay River and plenty of training,
Flinders Ranges and South East/
Beachport sand. Not sure of correct pressures when used directly with leaf springs but the most common mistake when used with coils is that:
1. You need to pump them up before loading the car then releasing pressure to level the load, front to rear as
well as side to side. In this scenario I never go beyond 30 psi and generally drop to around 15-17 psi with the car loaded to 3,200 kgs
2. Most people I have met who have complained about poor ride quaility mistakenly believe that you should run them (in coils remember) at >30 psi. This pressure makes them
rock hard and prone to breaking along with other
suspension bits
3. When car is unloaded I run around 8 psi to keep them inflated and to prevent rubbing and crimping by the coils.
Overall they are worth the effort and around $400 is about right fitted
Rob
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