Canning Stock Route

Willem,

That is all the info at this time. Vic is going to talk to them tomorrow and try and obtain permission.

I will be away from tomorrow until after Easter. I will call Vic again when I get back for a follow up.

Wayne

Sorry Wayne

I disagree with you premise.

Who are they ('them') ?

Don't post scaremongering stuff on a forun unless you have established info, please.

Cheers

Willem,
The traditional owners of the land that the CSR passes through.

I have no more info than that.

Wayne

Some sections of the CSR surely go through unallocated crown land???

Eq

That is true, but when you get to say, Well 26 and have to get permission to further what happens there. Turn around and go back?

I don't know how they are going to police this?

Wayne

There is absolutely no updated information on the Dept of Indigenous Website relating to CSR travel. They control access in and out of communities and applications for transit permits. There are some grey areas though with WA Land Councils imposing permit restrictions on certain roads. It is all about control and the justification of a bureaucracy.

The Martu Native Title Land Claim was settled in 2002 and some of the country includes from about Well 10 to the southern edge of Lake Disappointment which will include Calvert Ranges, Killigurra Gorge, Durba Springs and Diebel Springs.

Maybe the information has not been relayed to the website but I would have thought that in such an important matter it would have been. Who knows?

Will do some more research.

I cannot see any places on the canning stock route that cross reserves.

22956 is close.

Maybe our indigenous friends have declared it a reserve, as they now have the Kings Domain Gardens in Melbourne.

Very convenient that the Melbourne "sacred site" is in the middle of a pristine park, & not the middle of Swanston Street or the Flinder's Street Station!

Thanks for that Michelle.

It is pretty much what I had expected. Hopefully they will tarry, while we sneak through on our last hurrah in the WA outback this year. Have been to most places along the route in the past. Not sure what we are doing this year and will decide while on the run through the west.

Cheers

Having dealt with the Ngaanyatjarra Council before my comment is that what they aspire to in writing and what they actually do, are two diffrent things.

My experience is that it is a bureaucratic mess. But maybe they will mend their inefficient ways.

Our modern day fuedal system is working well. History is repeating itself and eclipsing the system that existed in the Middle Ages.

Most people who drive through the outback care for the land and the environment. Increased popularity of areas will tend to become well used and littering will occur. Thats human nature. I think aboriginal culture has misplaced concerns about access to lands etc and that the bureaucrats control the destiny of things, flexing their new found muscles through the Native Title legislation.

Native Title of thousands of square kilometres of land is now vested in a handful of people who in essence contrbute very little to modern day society. In real life they exist through handouts and have not aspired to improving their lot. Outback communities of the Western Deserts speak for themselves where squalor seems to be the norm.

I often wonder how much of this locking out and Permits and beurocracy etc actually comes from the traditional owners? certainly when getting permits in Alice for the GCR I wasn t dealing with TO but rather just white girls doing a job. I wonder if it is people like that who seem to be running the show just make the rest up coz they think it is what TO want?

What strange times we exist in.
As adventure tourism, outback travel, appreciation of indiginous culture (including purchase of their artwork) and other associated travel interests becoming increasingly significant for the financial viabilty of many of our remote locations conversely we are slowly but surely being choked out.

During the last couple of years I have noticed a significant improvement in the attitude of the outback traveller, the "Sorbent flowers" much less conspicuous and the empty tinnies and "stumpies" being either buried or taken out. I think responsible tour operators and forums such as this play a significant role here plus the likes of the "keep Australia clean" campaigns.

Sadly, none of this seems to extend to our "traditional landholders" who appear totally incapable of maintaining even minimum standards of hygiene and domestic cleanliness around their settlements. Yet they want to make it as difficult as possible for us to access "their" lands which to all intent and pupose are simply open space and not used as any viable income producing asset. Any claim that we interfere with the "cultural significance" is rather stretching it. The town that we live in has its population of indiginous people of whom some certainly more than interfere with "our" cultural significance. But one cant do anything about that.

It will never happen through any of our apologist governments, but if quite simply all those handouts and funding was removed, and any land seen as having no effort made on it to derive a viable income was forfeited back to the crown (under no circumstances sold) a change would happen. But pigs would be flying then, too.

happy travelling. kesh

Willem,

After reading what Michelle and Peter had replied to in this post there was not much more that I could add. They have said it all.

The letter was sent to Vic because he has, as a tour operator been on the CRS before and was planning another trip this year.

Peter might have been in the same position as the letter he has received is very similar to what Vic received.

Vic did ring on Thursday but they were too busy to talk and said that would ring back this week.

The general public have not been informed and as far as I know, and the web site has not been up dated.

Michelle has some links in her post. E-mail them and tell them that you are going and if you have not heard from them by a certain date you will assume that it is OK for you to travel in that area. LOL

Wayne