HID auxiliary lights

Submitted: Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 16:48
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Hi guys!

I'm still confused on whether to buy Lightforce HID Blitz lights or Hella Rallye 4000 HID Motorsport Series. What are the pros and cons of each? They will be mounted on TJM T15 bullbars, Nissan Safari GQ LWB.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 20:41

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 20:41
Ungas, mate, if you can afford to buy either of these lights, you either have weak eyes like me, or you do LOTS of fast night driving. The Lightforce are bigger, cheaper and may perform better, but the Hellas would be more robust, but nearly twice the price. Let us know how they go. We have the QH Rallye 4000, and they are a good light, but only $200 each....
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Follow Up By: Ungas - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 21:13

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 21:13
I do travel by night most times. That's why I need those big ones with HID. And yes you got that right, I have poor vision during night time. I would like to know if which is more durable interms of ruggedness, brightness and less vibrations while on the go. So far these are only brand I saw in the market that has HID options. Thanks!
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 01:49

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 01:49
Ungas, Hella also make rallye 1000 HID, about third price of Predators. Hella would be hard to bet for lack of vibration, parts maybe exxy, but know from experience that Lightforce are over the top. Excellent point about going back to low beam, especially in a tight spot.
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Reply By: rickwagupatrol - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 23:16

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 23:16
ungas, go the hella. my pair sat on the front of our truck for a year, before being transfered to the patrol. and i still have'nt changed a globe.

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Reply By: Member - Nigel - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 00:16

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 00:16
Just remember that with HID lights, you will not see anything when you drop to low beam until your eyes ajust.
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Reply By: Truckster - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:00

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:00
At $1000ea, you must have too much $$...

My 240s are the shiat, and I drive at night all the time.. As someone else said if you "NEED" HID's you should get your vision checked... Wanting is a different story.
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Follow Up By: Ungas - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 17:03

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 17:03
You maybe right! I do WANT an HID auxiliary lights its just that I was looking for the ordinary Lightforce Blitz nor the Hella 4000 series halogen ones. I have HID HyLow on my standard H4 lenses. I'm not sure if the halogen auxiliary lights would mix in with my HIDs that is why I was opted to choose from the HID auxiliary lights.
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Reply By: chopper - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 19:40

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 19:40
I'd be sure to upgrade your low beams as well. Because the difference will be (not so) brilliant.

I have Rallye 4000 with plus 50 globes and heavy wiring. I could not ask for more.

If you do decide against the HID units, don't let anyone try to sell you "bigger" bulbs, it will make little difference to light output but WILL shorten the life of the reflectors.

PS sorry can't help with your actual question. (oops)

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Reply By: David - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 10:01

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 10:01
Bigger bulbs work a treat- and will not harm your lights if they are the old metal reflector/glass lens setup. I have 130/90 watt bulbs and upgraded wiring- works a treat. The trouble with decent spotties is thieves love them - I know- I had agreat pair of Cibie spots stolen. If you buy decent spots, DO NOT park your car on the street for too long eg: overnight because they probably won't be there when you return !
However I'd be dubious about putting much bigger bulbs in polycarbonate lights....
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:27

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:27
If you buy decent spots, DO NOT park your car on the street for too long eg: overnight because they probably won't be there when you return !
Couldnt agree more.... If little Johnny sees $2000 worth of lights sittin on a bullbar with 1 nut to freedom, they are gonna go!

240 Blitz can be had for $356 anyday of the week. Shiat I got a deal where I sold 15 pairs for $336 ea... They would go with Little Johnny too I think :(
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Monday, Feb 17, 2003 at 17:02

Monday, Feb 17, 2003 at 17:02
Ignore the extra spotties- it's street cred and 90% wank value. Unless you do lots of night rock work or roo shooting and need spread or separate aim.....

Put 130/90's in your standard headlights instead of the standard 60/55's and don't tell Mr Plod.....

My spotties are virtually a waste of time - I only fitted them because I'd have had to stuff them in a box to send to Brisbane - they were sitting on my garage shelf. They give more spread but only blind the victims of the 130/90's half a second longer....

Basic Assesment - ignoring park lights (which aim at the ground)

High Beam Low Beam

130 + 130 = 260 (total luminescance) 90+90=180 130/90 No Spotties
60+60+60+60=240 55+55=110 If legal fit spotties
60+60+60+60=240 60+60+55+55=230 If on on low beam (illegal fitment if on either separate to like mine or with both high or low)

130+130+60+60= 480 90+90+60+60=300 My fitting (shhhh!)

Remeber without dodgy changes spotties have only one mode - not high and low - adding both high and low duplicates the spotties effect....

Note I have fitted a separate switch for spotties - thay can be on with High, or Low or independant of both.

130/90 is more than twice as effective on high beam than standard and roughly 50% more effective for penetration even after 2 new legal spotties - candlepower works on inverse square law remember (but not for spread which is why there is some point in extra lights.

This should also be taken in to account when aligning beams......

Send me your written responses and I'll give you marks based on formula and results - right answers gets a free beer or kiss based on sex/ugliness/size of boyfriend....

However extra lights are useless if there is any traffic unless u never dip - If so I can't wait to flash all my 130+90+130+90+60+60+21+21(parker/driving globes)= 602Watts!!!! vapourise your eyeballs! If they don't vapourise the temporary blindness should assure you at least crash into the barriers......

Either way they measure up better than extra "legal" spotties unless you're dealing with fog or huge numbers of insects interfering, where spread is more important, or you're unable to align the 90+90+21+21= 222 W slighly downwards to give other people a chance and you get beaten up by a big truckie who you blinded or your wiring can't take it..... (which mine can't with extended high and low beam 2x130+90 bursts beyond 4 seconds on standard 2x10amp fuses).

Of course within 4 seconds you're already blind and I can always put 15 amp fuses in each side instead (tested safely for true tarmac melting power - but dunno how long until the plastic headlight surrounds would then melt........)

If I blow them by accident my Spotties and Parkers will cope until I can stop for new fuses........

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