Larger Tyres

Submitted: Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 22:18
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Would going from 31" to 33" tyres be the difference of not making it over the same sand dunes which have been crossed before with the original 31"?......... or can't it rob that much power?.
(petrol 4.2L patrol efi)...............
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Reply By: Dar - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 22:26

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 22:26
hi voxson
a 4.2 petrol would,nt feel the differance
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Reply By: Slunnie - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 22:34

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 22:34
It depends if the problem is grip.

The 33 will give better grip through deflation and an extended footprint over the 31.

Slunnie
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Reply By: Voxson - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 22:41

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 22:41
thanks guys... i would have hoped not....
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Reply By: Kev. - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 23:23

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 23:23
You may feel a slight difference but not worth woring about.
I felt the difference between 32" to 33" on the holden v6 Hilux (3.8L)
But on your truck i would go for it.

Don't go over 35"
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Reply By: Derek - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 23:42

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 23:42
I agree with everyone else but don't forget your braking efficiency will also be reduced!!!
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Monday, Feb 17, 2003 at 16:12

Monday, Feb 17, 2003 at 16:12
I disagree with the categoric statement.

Braking will be reduced on some surfaces. braking is a function of 3 major forces - vehicle inertia, rotational inertia and grip - this is some of the crap you learn studying university physics .....and then dole cue economics :-(

All else being equal:

Vehicle inetria - up slightly
Rotational inertia - up significantly
Grip - dependant on surface type and area. Both of which are affected by tyre pressure, atmosopheric pressure, atmospheric pressure, surface composition, how many dolphins were in your canned salmon, blah blah blah

My Vitara stops better on many (but not all) surfaces on 30x9.5x15's with Muddies than it did with 205x75x15 AT's.

Increased surface area - possible increase in grip - but definately worse rotational inertia.

Also - if you change wheels to fit the bigger tyres they may have better or worse airflow (cooling) to the discs.

I plan on fitting bigger brake cylinders or discs to the front soon to ensure brakes are better on every surface. Stupidly I want to go faster before I can stop faster - LEMMING - although the exhaust is cactus......

Anyone know what to use on Vitara? Otherwise I'll start with Volvo 4 spots or Hilux 4 spots....

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Derek - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:42

Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:42
Sorry Andrew. I'll put my bosses degree in mechanical engineering and his rally experience up against your mechanics trade papers any day. By fitting larger diameter tyres, the distance from the centre of the wheel to the road MUST increase therefore exerting greater leverage and greater rotational forces. ie if you had a lever 3 mtrs long welded to a disc rotor and a braking force was applied, it would be easier to overcome the braking force than if you had used a 1 or 2 metre lever. The same works in reverse. If you increase the overall wheel diameter and you want to maintain the same braking, you must proportionately increase the the rotor diameter. Toyota increased the rotor diameter of the 80 series GXL, series 2, over that of the series 1 for this very reason , henci 15" rims on the series 1 to 16" rims on the series 2 in order to get the rim to fit. Secondly, a winch pulls easier when most of the cable is still on the drum, Why, because of the greater leverage attained by the increased drum diameter due to the quantity of cable on it . And lastly, I could lock up my cruiser's standard tyres on the bitumen but since going to the 285/75's I can't.
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Reply By: chopper - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 08:44

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 08:44
I'll be different, I have a set of 31s and 33s, and there is a massive diference in the way the truck rides and pulls, that said there is an awful lot more air in the 33s and when you let that out your rolling circ reduces and you have a MASSIVE footprint.

On sand I always use the 33s, sometimes letting them down.

Around town I'll whack the 31s on as quickly as possible, then i can keep up with traffic.

Rough avg fuel consumption. both highway.

33x 12.5 MT 17l/100km
31x 10.5 AT 15l/100km
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Follow Up By: Cj - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 15:14

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 15:14
Chopper,
With larger rubber you actually travel more km's than what your speedo reads. Have you tken this into acount in your calculation?
What kind of truck?
cheers,
cj
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Follow Up By: Chopper - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 21:22

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 21:22
yes CJ i have

there is a 6% difference in rolling circumference.
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Reply By: Truckster - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 08:56

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 08:56
I'll also disagree....

Mine sucks with 33's even with the turbo... and I want 35s again, but thats diabolicle..

To do it properly Diff Ratios are the way. But thats another $1000.. Makes a world of difference though, to have it back to standard.

Each size tire you go up, you go 1 diff ratio
EG
STD After
3.9 4.1
4.1 4.3
4.3 4.6

You can actually go to 5.4's but you need to import them from the artic trucks in Iceland! They come out standard with 44's on over there!!! Search Google for them, awesome stuff!
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:11

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:11
Also remember legally you will need an engineers to go from 31x10.5 to 33x12.5's...
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Reply By: Jim - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 14:19

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 14:19
My two cents worth..... Pressures are more important than size.
Jim
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:25

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:25
my wife says that too... too many beers and theres not enough pressure either.
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Reply By: Jim - Monday, Feb 17, 2003 at 12:10

Monday, Feb 17, 2003 at 12:10
Good one, Truckster!
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Monday, Feb 17, 2003 at 16:15

Monday, Feb 17, 2003 at 16:15
Truckster - rules on change of radius and legality vary from state to state.

Hence I'm keeping my 26" road tyres to get my Safety Cirtificate in QLD before I tell em I'm using 30" (15% bigger tyres).

If you can afford the $200 or so you'll get for your alod standard tyres and have space - always keep them until you are sure).

Andrew
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Reply By: jason - Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003 at 16:36

Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003 at 16:36
sand driving is all about momentum.it will take more power to turn the tyres (therfore a longer run up),it will use more fuel because it takes more power to turn the tyres and it will try to pull the steering wheel out of your hands when you try to cross other peoples wheel tracks.also,if you don't run atleast 8' rims you will get not get the benefit of a larger footprint because the angle of the sidewalls dictate how the edges of the tyre tread make contact with the surface.this is why race cars run rims that are only 1' less in width than the tyre.this would also mean you would have to run lower tyre pressures on bitumen because the angle of the sidewalls would cause the centre of the actual tread to bulge further than the edges.this would cause the centre of the tread to wear quicker than the edges.the lower tyre pressure would also affect handling on road.unless you need the ground clearance i would stick to the 31's,or if you really want 33's run 10' rims.
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