Theft of lightforce Spotties

Submitted: Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 21:33
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I'm thinking about getting some 170 Lightforce but I have concerns that they are easily stolen.

Have they come up with an anti theft system yet?

Obviously putting a small padlock through the main bolt will help, but the other method of stealing Lightforce spotties is a bit of a worry.

Cheers,

Muzz
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 21:51

Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 21:51
"but the other method of stealing Lightforce spotties is a bit of a worry. "

What? Taking the whole vehicle and dismantling it at their leisure :)))))))
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 22:15

Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 22:15
NO.

If you are familiar with Lightforce you will know what I mean!!!

Anyway, I just came across some Rallye 4000 at a good price so I might go for those instead, depending on what comes of this thread.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 22:21

Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 22:21
I'll watch it with interest as I'm considering the LF170s myself but have the same worries re the light fingered brigade.
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Reply By: MATT.D(WA) - Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 22:31

Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 22:31
Hey Muzz,

Go the 4000's they are a great light.

Cheers Matt.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 22:40

Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 22:40
no idea what you mean, but my LF170s have sat out front without any particular unwanted interest noted.

Perhaps I'd better watch them on the streets of the cities.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 06:23

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 06:23
I think he means that u can just unscrew the whole thing with ease.
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:35

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:35
Thatsa whata I meana.
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 23:04

Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 23:04
My neighbour recently got both his Lightforce 240's stolen after having them only 2 months--he was really p**ed off andfortunately is getting them replaced under insurance.He intends using a very effective detterent on his next ones which I can't mention here but it would not be very pleasant for the next lowlife.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 23:58

Sunday, May 14, 2006 at 23:58
Tell your neighbour to think it out thoroughly before implementing anything that could harm one of these little darlings. Unfortunately the Law will come down heavier on your neighbour than the little scumbag if he decides to push it.

I agree, the system sucks :((((
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Monday, May 15, 2006 at 09:58

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 09:58
boooby prizes are illegal
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:10

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:10
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the cop shop when the scum bag walks in and says he wants to lodge a complaint cos he got a 10,000 volt shock from a set of driving lights he was trying to knock off!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:31

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:31
and if its done correctly the 10k would have unlimited power avialable from the battery.......of course with the amount of power in the battery one only needs 240...nah to do a good job 1000 volts would smoke him up
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 17:21

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 17:21
Now Roachie, if the scumbag was the slightest bit intelligent, he'd know that all he'd get for attempting to steal the LFs is probably a rap across the knuckles besides a fair bit of derisory laughter as you inferred at the cop shop. We know the attitude of the courts to this relatively minor offence.

However, since he had been zapped by a booby trapped fitting on the vehicle of a probably far more affluent member of society, I'm sure he would'nt have to trawl too deeply into the sewers to find an upstanding member of the legal profession more than willing to press his case for damages etc etc etc.

As far as I can see it's a win/win situation for the scumbag. Unless, of course, you do the job thoroughly and dispose of the evidence :))))))))
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Monday, May 15, 2006 at 17:26

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 17:26
make that 10kv then
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 19:47

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 19:47
hahahaha burnt toast
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 07:42

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 07:42
i have a fetish with charcoal, even though its carcinogenic........forget BBQ's, you dont need to eat it to get to the pearly gates!!!
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 14:43

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 14:43
Here ya go MN1. It's even compliant with the site's Terms of Use LOLOL


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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 14:46

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 14:46
but mine hasnt shut up for a minute
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Reply By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 01:27

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 01:27
I have had Rallye 4000 before, about 14 years ago and found them to be very good. The new 4000 FF have a focussing mechanism in the base which makes aiming them up/down & side/side quite easy, which is one of the things I don't like about my Cibie Oscars. To aim the Cibies I have to lie on the ground at the front of the car and reach up under the bullbar, and as soon as I undo the nut they drop forward. Major PITA

Depending on whether the car is loaded or if we have the camper on, the lights are quite often shining on the road or up in the trees, and the idea of quickly pulling over and adjusting the spotties easily is quite appealing to me.

Also, in the 4WD monthly comparison, the 4000 FF were runner up to the Lightforce XGT. Yes the XGT blew away everything with a halogen globe but they will not fit on my bullbar, so they are out of the equasion.

Basically, the Lightforce 140/170/240 are easily ripped off, which to me counters the fact they are a good light.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sam (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 08:19

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 08:19
What bullbar have you got on 'Trol?
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Follow Up By: Member - Sam (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 08:21

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 08:21
on THE, THE

DAMN Monday mornings
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:26

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:26
Sam, it's a standard Nissan type ally bar, but powder coated instead of the naff looking shiny type. On older style bullbars you can get to the bottom nut while standing in front of the car, but not this one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sam (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:28

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:28
I was just thinking from fitting the XGT's point of view. I have the factory steel bar on a series II GU and was told it could't be done, but by reversing the mounting bracket on the light, they fit with heaps of clearance
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:43

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:43
That's interesting. I recon if I get XGT I will only need one, and put a lens on the front to spread the light out a bit. Also the XGT can't be unsrewed like the other type Lightforce.

That will also guarantee decent airflow through the radiator.

Cheers,

Muzz
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Follow Up By: Member - Sam (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:49

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:49
i have a couple up front of mine (4.2TD) and it hasn't had any impact on temp (towing or otherwise). but one with a combo or even spread cover will work a treat.

but yeah, its amazing how much extra room you get from reversing the mounts. it moves them forward that much more such that it clears the main tubing. I can get my hand between the light and the bar without any issues
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 21:15

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 21:15
My only concern with that is how far out they protrude. Any little acident means the first point of impact will be the spotties?
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Follow Up By: Member - Sam (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 21:50

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 21:50
Mine would be at least 2" back from the from of the bar

its not a massive amount of difference, just enough to allow them to fit. i can take some photos tomorrow if that will help with your decision making
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 23:36

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 23:36
Sam, the Ally bars don't have as much room for spotties as the steel one!

Have a close look next time your near one, you'll see what I mean.
I have seen the same ally bar as mine with XGT's and they sit out front quite a bit. I have bid on a set of Rallye 4000FF on Ebay, so we will see what happens.

I know I have said in the past that I would rather support the local bloke, and I usually do, but I couldn't resist putting a bid on, and if I get them it will be just under $100 saving.

If I don't get the Rallye's I'll go and check out some XGT and see if they'll fit.
Some of them on Ebay at agood price too.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 08:42

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 08:42
Cover all bolts and nuts in epoxy putty - when you want to remove it just use a soldering iron to disintegrate the epoxy.

Mike
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 09:37

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 09:37
if they want them, they will take them.
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Reply By: Alan S (WA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 09:49

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 09:49
Muzzgit

On my 240 i fitted a small piece of angle between the bull bar and the base the side of the angle protubes up and stops the horizontal bolt from being removed. I also got some lock nuts like what you have on wheels and used these instead of the nyloc nuts. This then locks the whole assy togethor.

I suppose any thing can be stolen but i just wanted to make it slightly harder which inturn means it takes longer.

Alan
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:44

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:44
Move to Brissy, they won't steal them there. My lightforce are 4 years old and still attached - not stolen, not rattled lose and happy as Larry. I know it is a big step but we need to do all that is required to stop our lights from being ripped off.

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:57

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:57
Don't tell em that Beatit! We've got enough bluddy mexicans up here! ;-) *ducking for cover*

Scoey!
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 15:03

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 15:03
It's OK mate these are our EO brother and sisters. People with the right attitude, the top of the gene pool free thinking types and we need more of them. This way we can justify the tag "smart State".

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 15:20

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 15:20
Haha! Yeah good point! ;-) Righto, those with EO stickers or Wheel Covers can migrate north! hehe!
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Reply By: Brian B (Mackay Qld) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 16:21

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 16:21
I thought lightforce have a special nut that helps prevent theft, but then again, someone would only have to get hold of the special spanner to remove it.

I have 180mm nightvision spotties that work fine for me on my cruiser ute, $80, not losing much if they break or get stolen.
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Follow Up By: Gu_Patrol - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 18:36

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 18:36
Yes there is a special nut you can buy for the spotties, Have a friend which has them on his HID's I also had special locknuts on my old Rally 1000 spotties.
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Reply By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:32

Monday, May 15, 2006 at 20:32
The way Lightforce spotties are made, you can focus them by rotating the body in or out, like a Maglite torch.

Just incase everyone doesn't know and didn't pay much attention to what was said above, you can walk up to a car with lightforce spotties and simply UNSCREW THE MAIN BODY UNTIL IT FALLS OFF.

AND MY QUESTION IS, HAVE THEY FIXED IT YET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply By: blown4by - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 14:38

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 14:38
The Rallye 4000's have provision for two additional bolts (that the instructions recommend be fitted but are not supplied with the lamps) 1. Fit the lamps as normal with the centre bolt & nut. 2. Get a piece of 50x10 flat bar about 100 long & drill or oxy cut a hole in the centre just large enough to go over the nut from underneath (but not large enough to get a socket through the hole) 3. Drill two holes in the flat bar to line up with the other two lamp mounting holes and secure the flat bar in place using cup head bolts from the bottom and fit the nuts from the inside the lamp body. It's a tight fit & if the bolts are too long they will foul the lamp lens but it can be done as I have done it with mine. A tube spanner to do the internal nuts up will help and you have may to "relieve" a bit of the cast ribs at the bottom of the lamp housings with a rotary burr or similar to provide extra clearance.
Another way to do it is to make up a "hinged" flat bar and after you do the lamp nut up you lock the hinge with a padlock. Works on the same principle as a hasp and staple and prevents access to the nut at the bottom of the lamp.
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