New muddies for my GU4

Submitted: Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 09:05
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Hi,

Finally gonna invest in a set of muddies for my Patrol, but the re seem to be so many questions that I have that remain unanswered.

I am looking at the Goodyear MTR 33X12.50R15LT or the BFG Mud terrain 285/75/**

This is where the problems start, for one should I go the 15" or 16" rims? - I have been using a set of 33" tyres on 15" rims for the past few weekends and there has been no problem although the wheel is very close to the caliper.
And what about tyre width - is wider neccessarily better? - obviously the footprint would be bigger.
And tyre sizes....Geez thought I had this worked out! can someone confirm if the 285/75 is a 33/12.5 in the old money? or would this chjange dependant on the rim size with the metric measurement?

And finally has anyone purchased a set recently in Melbourne and where did you get them? how much did you pay?

Thanks
Rod
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Reply By: Leroy - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 09:50

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 09:50
I'm surprised the 15" rims fit! they fit the series one then there was a brake caliper change for the series 2 (larger) so you couldn't use them.
I would go the 16" rims as I feel they are more widely available these days.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 09:53

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 09:53
Its close but they fit - I weas actually suprised at the quality of ride over heavily rutted corrugated road on them - being so much actual tyre although the handled like a pig compared to the factory 17's. But can't have everything, maybe the 16's will be a gooid compromise.

Thanks
Rod
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 10:26

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 10:26
With 15's. the gap between disc/caliper/rim will be so small that it will fill up with mud and lockup.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 11:36

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 11:36
BIL's 16" wheels didn't fit after he had his brake pads changed! .....Back to ProComp for new repolacement wheels.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 17:18

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 17:18
after he changed pads??

WTF? What changed or what was hitting?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 19:43

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 19:43
Yep after he changed the pads. They were his second set of wheels with his Simex centimeters....hehe. Anyway, steel rims are made in 2 parts - the center is welded into the rim. What the story appears to be is the centers of many steel wheels are the same and the rims are 'rolled' to fit either 15" or 16" wheels but they still use the same 'center' that they weld in. As a result the 16" wheels will have a step in the rim to fit the center as it also fits the 15". Procomp were aware of the prob and swapped without question. They obviously were aware of the issue.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 13:04

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 13:04
yup have talked to another who had the same issue.
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 14:05

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 14:05
Hi,

"BIL's 16" wheels didn't fit after he had his brake pads changed! .....Back to ProComp for new repolacement wheels."

Leroy, how did the change of brake pads affect the external dimensions of the caliper?

Rod
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 19:09

Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 19:09
When you install pads the caliper has to accomodate the new pads which are thicker. As the pads wear the caliper compresses hence it's small enough to fit in the rim.

Leroy
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Reply By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 10:44

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 10:44
Hi Rokkitt,

Never used BFG so I can't comment on them but I love my MT/R's - they're fantastic! Have a look at this site:
http://www.miata.net/cgi-bin/tirescgi
to find out metric to imperial (?) coversions. Seems the 285/75-15 is only a 31.8" tyre! The 285/75-16 is a 32.8" tyre.

Hope that helps!
Cheers, Scoey.
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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 10:46

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 10:46
my 285 x 75 x 17 are more like 33.5 x 11 x 17......cooper stt....
which should answer one of your questions...

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Reply By: Ken - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 12:11

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 12:11
Rod, I suggest you try ToughTyres in Burwood Hy Knoxfield or Ferntree Gully, east of Scorecby Rd. for BFG's which I would rceommend highly.

Ken
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 13:17

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 13:17
$330 a tyre from Tough tyres, more than Bob Jane.........368 for the Goodyear!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 16:25

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 16:25
Call Tirepower in blackburn (are you allowed toc all it black?)

Talk to Gold Tooth Mick.
his prices when I got mine were $50 cheaper than others.
Wish I had waited for supplies on MTR's though :(
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Reply By: Rokkitt - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 12:57

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 12:57
Hi,

Think I am getting there - I can see why I got confused on the tyre sizes.

Can someone confirm I have got this right:
1: The first figure, say 285 - is the width in millimetres.
2: The sercond is a ratio of the first - eg. 285/75 actually means 75% of 285mm
3: This is where the confusion starts - it is all dependant on the wheel size so a 275/75/16 is a much bigger tyre than a 275/75/15

Why dont they just measure the tyre? a 33" is a 33" no matter what wheel it appears on......lol

Anyone bought some of these recently and did you get a good price, just called Bob Jane and the best they can do is $298

Rod
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Follow Up By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 14:10

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 14:10
Rod

1: Correct
2: Correct
3:Yes it can be a bit confusing.

On my patrol I am running 285/75/R16, slight drop in acceleration and braking, better off-road clearance and ability to roll-up over rocks and other obstacles. I am currently toying with the idea of getting some new muddies, despite the fact my current set aren't worn out yet, for 285/75/R16

MTR's $320
STT's $329
BFG MT's $311

Hope this helps, catch you at the meeting.
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 14:38

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 14:38
What are you using now? BFG's MTR's or STT's

Impressed now I even have the acronyms worked out - thanks Snowy.

Rod

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Follow Up By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 14:44

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 14:44
Currently running Bridgestone Dueller 694 AT's, when I bought them they were perfect for what I did, but as I go further off the bitumen more often, they are starting to show their inadequacies, mainly loose/scrabbly rocks and mud.

Snowy
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 15:01

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 15:01
I paid $280 a corner for 285/75-16 MT/R's
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Follow Up By: handy - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 19:01

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 19:01
paid 237$ for goodyear MTR in alice
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Follow Up By: Richard W (NSW) - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 07:47

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 07:47
I paid $279 a tyre for 285/75-16 BFG Muds
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Follow Up By: dan26aus - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 13:10

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 13:10
Hi Rokkitt, just compared tyres on a tyre calculator for you and the difference between 33 x 12.5 15" & 285 x 75 16" is only 0.95% difference.
Hope is some help to you

Dan
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Reply By: Doctor Evil (VIC) - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 15:11

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 15:11
I run the ProComp Muddie in 33*12.5*17.

Very Very happy with not only dirt road traction but bitumen as well.

Has clocked almost 50000km on them and they are just on half worn.

Will comfortably get another 30000km out of them.

you pay a bit more initially for them but the wear has been awesome.

80000+ km for a daily driver on muds................
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Follow Up By: madCrow - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 01:41

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 01:41
Hi Doc Evil
really pleased to ready about your your tyres the ProComp Muddies.
We are talking about ProComp Radial Mud Terrains and if so I'm very interested in how they handle wet blacktop, you say your ver happy with them, excellent.
Currently I'm running with BFG's T/A, their a great tyre on blacktop & dry conditions off road but a comprimise in the mud.
My other question is whats the road noise of the ProComp Radial Mud Terrains like on blacktop.
I'm a bit of a sticky beak & I cheaked out your rig, I drive an '03 Patrol TD6 (4.2L) so what you have fitted & how well it preforms is of great interest to me.
I've been talking to Paul down at ProComp about a suspention lift & mud tyres.
You've got a 3" lift, I'm settling for a 2" lift with pro-comp/dobinson springs, Ride Pro shockers & ProComp Radial Mud Terrains, which is similar to your set up, how do you find the ride when empty & when full, also the Tough Dog foam cell shockers how are they?
Home made _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx with fridge slide is also on your baby, very cool, I've been contemplating a set Black Widow storage _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx, but home made could be the way to go, is it to much to ask you for some enlightenment to the secrets of the home made _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx with fridge slide?

Much thanks & appretiation for any feed back you can provide.

madCrow
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Follow Up By: Doctor Evil (VIC) - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 12:10

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 12:10
MadCrow,

Message me with your email. If you are localish to ProComp, I can show you what I have done with my storage _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx etc.

Doc.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 13:37

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 13:37
if you find BFG MT's lacking Procomps wont be a big improvement. worth changing to.
You maybe better going to Simex or similar.
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Follow Up By: Doctor Evil (VIC) - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 13:57

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 13:57
Not quite truckster...............

Last year I was mucking around with a mate on a mud flat (private property). He's got a GUIII with a front locker (mine didn't ahve one then) which is very similar in setup and weight.
We were having a tug o' war. I was releasing the pressure on the strap by throwing the clutch on mine.
I was able to slow him down then stop him then start dragging him my way. Did this time and time again.

He was running BFG muddies. Both my Procomps and his BFG's were bought at the same time and at the time of our play, were within 5000km from new (and about 1000km in dist. travelled).

Also I have seen a BFG and a Procomp beside each other (no rim). The BFG was squashed over half way yet the Procomp hardly flattened. Not much of a test, but hey I was impressed ;-).

Each to their own I suppose. I was a Cooper man (had STT's on a previous vehicle and was wrapt with their wear, but wern't available when I bought my new Patrol in 17") but after seeing the little display of squishing the bags and now trying them out myself I'm very impressed.

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Follow Up By: madCrow - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 16:41

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 16:41
Hey Doc,
I live the Melb side of ProComp near the coast, but hey I've had really good service from the boys there, so I don't mind the travel & I do work down "Dande" way regularily.
My email is "madCrow at bigpond dot com"

Tanks alot!

madCrow
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Follow Up By: madCrow - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 16:44

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 16:44
Hi Truckster,
the tyres on my rig are the BFG All Terrain T/A's not the BFG muddies so the Procomp Muddies will be a Big Step up for me.
Thanks for your observation anyway, if I was contemplating extreme (to me anyway), it would probably be the Procomp Xterrain or the like.

madCrow
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, May 19, 2006 at 23:10

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 23:10
The X terrain isnt anymore than a BFG MT, MTR, STT etc either

squishing the bags has me lost.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 19:14

Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 19:14
squishing indicating that the procomp stronger or heavier but then that opens another can of worms.....unsprung weight!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 22:11

Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 22:11
That to me shows they wouldnt bag when you aired them down...

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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 22:27

Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 22:27
they had a set of xterrains that we could borrow from the club. I never borrowed them but others did and they appeared to bag up well.

Leroy
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